Nightlion wrote:though' their world is collapsing all around them.
I don't see much evidence of this claim.
I cannot dispute that you fail to see it. But the OP is devastating to the support structure of the LDS Church. Their Magnus Opus is Follow the Prophet. I just showed how it is a stumbling block and hindrance to coming unto Christ and doing that acceptably so you CAN be born of him.
In supplanting the right of Christ to reign over his saints by the power of the Holy Ghost in deference to the complete lack of the gifts of the Spirit manifest in all LDS GAs, (I do not mean that the Church fails to have a spirit and a mighty one at that, it is just NOT the gift and power of the Holy Ghost, if it were they would revolt against the follow the prophet mandate) in order to toe the line that they hold out for your compliance they effectively defeat the purposes of God and His Christ and cannot be other than anti-Christ at it.
Notice how no barking dogs have entered the fray to attempt in the least to defend the honor of their sustained ones. THAT is deafening. Don't you think? You feel no quavers in the LDS fabric of authority? They have stenciled this one edict. And it is the antithesis of righteousness and prevents the possibility of righteousness and this realization will set in and freeze them in their tracks and at absolute zero they will pop.
And that is only this one thesis. Of which I have a Santa Bag full of more and more.
Nightlion wrote:Notice how no barking dogs have entered the fray to attempt in the least to defend the honor of their sustained ones. THAT is deafening. Don't you think? You feel no quavers in the LDS fabric of authority? They have stenciled this one edict. And it is the antithesis of righteousness and prevents the possibility of righteousness and this realization will set in and freeze them in their tracks and at absolute zero they will pop.
Maybe you just aren't tweaking them where it hurts. Try Packer.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
harmony wrote: Maybe you just aren't tweaking them where it hurts. Try Packer.
Problem is, Harmony, no LDS know enough to be alarmed. No LDS have the love of God put in their inward parts to be outraged at the affront to the Savior and the hijacking of his Church by tares and sons of tares. That people rise up and preen these fellas with their envious eyes and pant after them to curry favor only proves how irresistible it was to steal the virtue of the Restoration out from under Christ and take it for their own. Boys will be boys, I am certain you agree with that. Yeah, well, fire is fire and calling for the rocks to cover them and hide them from the face of him whose indignation is a just recompense will not save them.
Same with all other churches where leaders and preachers set themselves up to gather the honor unto themselves and refuse to bring the people unto Christ, saying that they do, but denying the people a genuine experience while they demand money from those whom they have made blind in the false joy of presumptuousness.
harmony wrote: Maybe you just aren't tweaking them where it hurts. Try Packer.
Problem is, Harmony, no LDS know enough to be alarmed. No LDS have the love of God put in their inward parts to be outraged at the affront to the Savior and the hijacking of his Church by tares and sons of tares. That people rise up and preen these fellas with their envious eyes and pant after them to curry favor only proves how irresistible it was to steal the virtue of the Restoration out from under Christ and take it for their own. Boys will be boys, I am certain you agree with that. Yeah, well, fire is fire and calling for the rocks to cover them and hide them from the face of him whose indignation is a just recompense will not save them.
Same with all other churches where leaders and preachers set themselves up to gather the honor unto themselves and refuse to bring the people unto Christ, saying that they do, but denying the people a genuine experience while they demand money from those whom they have made blind in the false joy of presumptuousness.
Nightlion wrote: Problem is, Harmony, no LDS know enough to be alarmed. No LDS have the love of God put in their inward parts to be outraged at the affront to the Savior and the hijacking of his Church by tares and sons of tares. That people rise up and preen these fellas with their envious eyes and pant after them to curry favor only proves how irresistible it was to steal the virtue of the Restoration out from under Christ and take it for their own. Boys will be boys, I am certain you agree with that. Yeah, well, fire is fire and calling for the rocks to cover them and hide them from the face of him whose indignation is a just recompense will not save them.
Same with all other churches where leaders and preachers set themselves up to gather the honor unto themselves and refuse to bring the people unto Christ, saying that they do, but denying the people a genuine experience while they demand money from those whom they have made blind in the false joy of presumptuousness.
I have read on Mr Waterman's blog a couple of times. I looked for the gospel and expected someone with his views to know it. But alas, his Christ Consciousness is the best he can do. He does not see the vicious gutting of the gospel or the supplanting of the virtue of Christ reigning over his saints, nor criticize FOLLOW THE PROPHET is in its most common and acceptable and traditional forms. He ballyhoos about its abuses and absurdities only.
Bottom line he is a refined 'form' of godliness kind of guy who panders to the best angel in us all. He does not know the Lord and has not be visited of God and truly wrought upon and cleansed nor been conceived by the power of the atonement to become a son of Christ.
How do I know that? Because he neither walks the walk nor talks the talk and gives no evidence of anything other than overarching highermindedness than his fellows.
He could not handle The Apocalrock. Try him. I defy all the bloggernacle to bring forth fruit meet for the Father's kingdom. And I shall be waiting for that until doomsday's over. Show me better than this.
I always regarded Brigham a good man at heart. I know that he preached the REAL gospel in General Conferences before and after this tremendous spiritual blunder. Certainly Satan took full advantage of this misstep to see to it that more errors were compounded towards the utter defeat of the gospel or any potential for its realization. There was of course the GREAT TARE, the son of perdition, who was coaching the flattery of the priesthood and getting up a grand parade when "the prophet" came to town. He actively preached for the priesthood to become something in and of itself, which I understood to be separate from God, no less. That would be Lorenzo Snow who recruited sympathetic sorts from England for his Wicked Master's business.
I was up at Peach Days in Brigham City, Utah tonight. This is where my great great Grandpa, Amos Russel Wright, punched Lorenzo Snow in the face and pilfered his pockets for change after The President of the United Order refused to give him his wages for watching the cattle during the winter months on Antelope Island. Seems the brethren had egregiously ignored the needs of his pregnant wife who was in distress upon his return.
I think the shrewd LS was deliberately provoking my relative to cause him to lose his membership for a time. Keep an erstwhile good man out of the running so to speak. Beside making certain that the United Order was a great failure Lorenzo Snow's Polysophical Society was a vehicle for steering the LDS culture Satan's way. A miss is as good as a mile in NOT getting the power of godliness. Without it, everything will naturally develop as Satan intends, allowing him to rule in the hearts of the people with pride and feigned meekness, feigned righteousness, feigned love of God, feigned goodwill, feigned friendship, feigned brotherhood, feigned neighborliness, feigned charity. A wonder in the appearance of righteousness unto the envy of all the world. Where the full weight of a right Druid shunning was made possible by how the society was deliberately composed so as to wreck a life to the extreme when imposed upon those who crossed him in the full exercise of his dominion, sitting in the hearts of those whom the people follow, an absolute proof of his cruel and ruthless sway.
None would ever therefore seek to follow Christ to hazard offering an acceptable sacrifice of full purpose of heart, since so much of their hearts were already taken by magnifying following the brethren. To seek Christ would compromise a prosperous advancing in Church trust and confidence. Proving all the above feigning perfectly fake and not of God having no power with Christ in God as all that good will was of their own make and not put into their inward parts by way of the power of God unto salvation that is shed upon those who rightly come unto Christ and are born of him, filled with the love of God which brings compassion for all in the bonds of charity.
Mormons have owned this abomination with great and swelling pride, that was made to supplant the gospel of Jesus Christ for going on over one-hundred and fifty years. Sigh. So of course no Zion. No gospel competence. No nothing but Satan's Mother of Harlots.
So Saturday night I came upon two LDS missionaries and noted that they were in and about the crowd preaching with an open scripture. Mostly, for my own amusement, I approached them to query how one could come unto Christ with full purpose of heart and follow the prophet at the same time? They took off running. Sigh.
Nightlion wrote:I always regarded Brigham a good man at heart. I know that he preached the REAL gospel in General Conferences before and after this tremendous spiritual blunder.
But then, you agree with Brigham regarding the worth of half the population.
I, on the other hand, find Brigham to be blinded by his own lusts... for power, women, sex, control, money.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
Nightlion wrote:I always regarded Brigham a good man at heart. I know that he preached the REAL gospel in General Conferences before and after this tremendous spiritual blunder.
But then, you agree with Brigham regarding the worth of half the population.
I, on the other hand, find Brigham to be blinded by his own lusts... for power, women, sex, control, money.
Other than the fact that Brigham Young did admit the gospel I find precious little that I agree with him on. His theology was a waste of time. He had thirty years to improve and it appears that the Heavens were brass. By taking thought I cannot recall specifically how he regarded women.
I do not fault him for his many contradictions understanding the wilderness he was seeking to reign in. He was a man in his element at the moment. His "do not disturb" sign (MMM) certainly kept non-Mormons to a minimum especially outside of Great Salt Lake City. If that was his intent, it worked brilliantly. He was obviously more concerned with the basics of survival and gave little thought to spiritual progress. With much ado about everything else it would appear that the Lord was content that the gospel lay dormant while the tares grew up with the wheat and with few exceptions choked off the restoration entirely. Its not like the LDS ever magnified the gospel and even glimpsed Zion. The Lord was already offended in them. I see the Gentiles perfectly SET UP by the Lord for the fall of their Babylon of great and swelling errors of pure arrogance. Much like the Jews at the time of Christ. The times are a changing.
I know that he preached the REAL gospel in General Conferences before and after this tremendous spiritual blunder.
I've always believed that Brigham's blunder was moving the Church to Utah for little more than the express purpose of preserving polygamy.
Polygamy might have never been openly admitted otherwise and the church would have dwindled to a mere flicker. The Lord was using the Gentile remains of Joseph Smith's legacy for his own purpose. They certainly were not interested in bringing forth the purposes of the Lord. They vaunted up great big gods unto their own selves and respected the keys of that in their own hands which deigned them godhoods after their lusts of their wanton ambitions, in abject abandon of that subjection unto God that a true Zion demands. Gentiles, they seek after these things. What's a Lord to do with them?