HEAD of SIDON RIVER (north BRANCH) and of SIDON RIVER south

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HEAD of SIDON RIVER (north BRANCH) and of SIDON RIVER south

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HEAD of SIDON RIVER (north Branch, toward NORTH LANDS, and going to MANTI and WEST SEA and EAST SEA and ZARAHEMLA and to NEARBY CUMORAH) and HEAD of SIDON RIVER SOUTH BRANCH, toward SOUTH LANDS, KINDERHOOK and ROCKY MOUNTAINS and SLC).

Kingdom ZARAHEMLA since land of MANTI. Separated by SIDON

We already investigated the land of MANTI and nearby/around it. We could see how closely linked MANTI was to ZARAHEMLA, quite like being a natural extension because of the close geographic proximity and easy of military attacks from Zarahemla. We are to examine some features of MANTI while linking to Zarahemla and to the Jaredites.

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http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/97f5f51fb4b6037384a6e40c31ca846e6015cfbbee61a5cbdff5e2960f073d606g.jpg
To see enlarged image, click on previous URL. Notice that the HEAD of SIDON River is at nowadays CHICAGO Metropolitan Area, and that Sidon River starts as Lothic River (visible flow) but in short distance it is turned into Sidon River Lenthic River flow, becoming the Lake Michigan (as submerged or flooded river going NORTH). All around the Lake Michigan, from east to west, from north to south, it was surrounded by NEPHITES. None Lamanite lived around the Lake Michigan, NORTH SEA and NORTH LANDS, before the collapse of the NEPHITE EMPIRE. The guarantee was provided by the town and fort of MANTI and others as TEANCUM in the "key" region of transition of South Lands to the North Lands.

The "wilderness" at the head of Sidon River, is the same way of saying the river is passing through the middle of forest (quite like swamp?). In one case we have the Niagara river flowing in the middle of some very difficult vegetation (canyon) in the border of USA and CANADA: the "narrow strip of wilderness" (Alma 22:27) and in case of the HEADS of Sidon RiverS, some HEADs feed the Sidon River flowing North and others the Sidon River flowing South, thus Canoe of Indians could transpose from Lake to River Illinois in such "WILDERNESS" at the Head of Sidon River. Such fact was very much well documented by European Historians, as the fact it was possible to transpose from the River Sidon Lenthic to the Lothic, by the Indians. Reason to exist an indian trade place and then the modern trade that originated Chicago and the modern harbor. We will see that in more details. The lamanites that passed over the Hill Riplah intended to invade the NORTH LANDS and NORTH SEA, to break the trade and political and militar support of North to South.

MANTI was a place ultra-important in the military strategy and economic trade place for Nephitic empire, because of its ultra-strategic position. Quite like that of Constantinople in the link between Europe and Asia. It is very evident that all trade from Zarahemla and from Nephites harbor to "head of Sidon River" (which is nowadays Chicago town, also the harbor for trade toward the Gulf of Mexico through Illinois River = SOUTH Sidon River branch) had to be controlled through the military town of MANTI.

Get into the Google Map:
http://maps.google.com/

In the box "maps", type in: Lake Tacoma, Detroit, MI, United States

Press enter and you will see the Sidon River (Detroit River) flowing from EAST to WEST (your horizontal direction), as stated in the Book of Mormon, for NEARBY MANTI town. What is valid is the MAIN FLOW, the one used to stablish (set) the boundaries between the USA and CANADA. That is the "LEGAL" flow. The others are not considered. In any way the general flow direction of SIDON RIVER while passing through the region of MANTI TOWN is from EAST(ern) direction to the WEST(ern) direction, toward the SEA (WEST SEA) = Lake Erie.
In the left side, there is a "vertical bar" for the control of elevation. At the down part of the bar, there is a square with the minus signal (-) into it. Press it 1 times. See the result the pathway of Sidon River through the MANTI town and region (metropolitan area of Detroit). Repeat again for more 4 times. You can see that the GENERAL FLOW PATHWAY through MANTI TOWN and NEARBY IT is reasonably in the horizontal direction, thus from EAST to WEST DIRECTION.

Press again the "minus" and already you can see the ISTHMUS of NIAGARA, at your right, which is ZARAHEMLA KINGDOM.

Press onece more the "minus" and you can see perfectly the land of the ISTHMUS NIAGARA, which is the KINGDOM ZARAHEMLA, at the CANADA side in relation to the NIAGARA FALLS. You can see some "dividing water" (SIDON RIVER, NIAGARA RIVER) flowing through a WILDERNESS separating the Zarahemla to the kingdoms of Nephites and Lamanites sited to the right side of the wilderness, which is the USA site. If you pay attention, there is a BLACK LINE joining the towns DETROIT = MANTI and BUFFALO (there is a Nephitic town for it, to be disclosed latter, a great battle took place there). Such black line is the deepest of WEST SEA = Lake Erie, the position in which, for legal purposes and for environmental reasons, is FLOWING THE "SIDON RIVER" lenthic condition. Thus in fact in modernity there is no more such thing as "LAKE ERIE" but RIVER SIDON "LENTHIC". The legal boundary to separate counties, states and nations is the position of the River flowing in the "Lenthic condition" under a lake and reservoirs.

Let us see one such link for other things to examine in Alma 22:27-33.
http://LDS.org/scriptures/Book of Mormon/alma/22.27,29?lang=eng

27 And it came to pass that the king sent a proclamation throughout all the land, amongst all his people who were in all his land, who were in all the regions round about, which was bordering even to the sea, on the east and on the west, and which was divided from the land of Zarahemla by a narrow strip of wilderness, which ran from the sea east even to the sea west, and round about on the borders of the seashore, and the borders of the wilderness which was on the north by the land of Zarahemla, through the borders of Manti, by the head of the river Sidon, running from the east towards the west—and thus were the Lamanites and the Nephites divided.
(we already saw this flow east toward west, above, using Google maps).

28 Now, the more idle part of the Lamanites lived in the wilderness, and dwelt in tents; and they were spread through the wilderness on the west, in the land of Nephi; yea, and also on the west of the land of Zarahemla, in the borders by the seashore, and on the west in the land of Nephi, in the place of their fathers’ first inheritance, and thus bordering along by the seashore.

29 And also there were many Lamanites on the east by the seashore, whither the Nephites had driven them. And thus the Nephites were nearly surrounded by the Lamanites; nevertheless the Nephites had taken possession of all the northern parts of the land bordering on the wilderness, at the head of the river Sidon, from the east to the west, round about on the wilderness side; on the north, even until they came to the land which they called Bountiful.

30 And it bordered upon the land which they called Desolation, it being so far northward that it came into the land which had been peopled and been destroyed, of whose bones we have spoken, which was discovered by the people of Zarahemla, it being the place of their first landing.

31 And they came from there up into the south wilderness. Thus the land on the northward was called Desolation, and the land on the southward was called Bountiful, it being the wilderness which is filled with all manner of wild animals of every kind, a part of which had come from the land northward for food.

32 And now, it was only the distance of a day and a half’s journey for a Nephite, on the line Bountiful and the land Desolation, from the east to the west sea; and thus the land of Nephi and the land of Zarahemla were nearly surrounded by water, there being a small neck of land between the land northward and the land southward.

33 And it came to pass that the Nephites had inhabited the land Bountiful, even from the east unto the west sea, and thus the Nephites in their wisdom, with their guards and their armies, had hemmed in the Lamanites on the south, that thereby they should have no more possession on the north, that they might not overrun the land northward.
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Re: HEAD of SIDON RIVER (north BRANCH) and of SIDON RIVER south

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The next article is SPECIFIC on "HEAD of SIDON RIVER".
It is in Portuguese Language. It was posted in Web in Jun 08th, 2009.
http://br.groups.yahoo.com/group/mormons_brasil/message/1435

To be translated to English language

Fluxo NEFITAS de CHICAGO (Alma 63:10, TERRAS DO NORTE de MANTI = DETROIT) até às MONTANHAS ROCHOSAS x êxodo dos SUD até ao LAGO SALGADO

Trata-se da continuação da Mensagem anterior, n° 1434:

DETALHESGEOGRÁFICOS das ROTAS DOS MOVIMENTOS DEEXPANSÃO e DECLÍNIO dos NEFITAS/MULEQUITAS e COMPARAÇÃO COM OSSIMILARES DEMONSTRADOS/VIVIDOS PELA IGREJA e SUDs NOS TEMPOS ATUAIS("últimos dias").

E que está centralizada nos mapas n° 11 e 12 das Escrituras Múltiplas para SUDs brasileiros:

http://www.geocities.com/celsoely/progr ... EFITAS.jpg

(clique para ver em tamanho maiore com mais detalhes..

http://www.geocities.com/celsoely/progr ... EFITAS.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/celsoely/progr ... EFITAS.jpg NÃOESQUEÇA! Os mapas acima estão "borrados"... PARA VER COM MAISDETALHES e poder "ler o texto", examine o mapa AMPLIADO: CLIQUE NO LINQUE ANTERIOR! Porque os comentários se baseiam no EXAME do MAPA AMPLIADO... (ao clicar sobre o linque e abrir um "mapa reduzido em tamanho" e no lugar da seta do Mouse aparecer um círculo com uma " + " no centro, clique sobre o mapa, e o mapa se ampliará em tamanho e detalhamento.
MAPA 11: parte superior.

Veja o CANTO DIREITO SUPERIOR: muito importante para a CIVILIZAÇÃO NEFITAera a DESCIDA desde CHICAGO (que era como que a CAPITAL das TERRAS DO NORTE, para onde estavam indo aquela enorme quantidade de EMIGRANTES que está em ALMA 63:4,9, ia-se para lá VELEJANDO para o NORTE de MANTI= atual DETROIT com os NAVIOS VELEIROS JUMBO = GALEÃO do HAGOTE Alma 63:5,6,7 e mesmo FIGURÕES e SACERDOTES foram para essa "nova capital"como em Alma 63:10) e de lá mesmo (sem precisar descer da canoa) se DESCIA pelo Rio ILLINOIS e se ia por rios para as montanhas Rochosas = o REFÚGIO. Caminho de FUGA para lá era iniciado via esse RIO ILLINOIS do CANTO DIREITO SUPERIOR, viajando-se A CANOA no trecho superior = inicial (conforme relatos da época de colonização) e daí em diante = para jusante com auxílio de VELA (velejando...), rio abaixo, para ir maisrápido, por rios MAIORES (os NEFITAS dominavam a arte e tecnologia de velejar e construir VELEIROS). Veja que logo se chegava ao RIO MISSISSIPI e logo em seguida se mudava o curso de navegação para o RIO MISSOURI, o qual se SUBIA, provavelmente também VELEJANDO: passava-se por INDEPENDENCE, que foi a sede da IGREJA (passava-se pela região onde o ZÉ Smith morreu porque DESISTIU de fugir para as MONTANHAS ROCHOSAS, porque desistiu de seguir os NEFITAS que assim FUGIRAM... E o ZÉ SMITH fez com ZELPH fez e foi morto...). FOI AO LONGO DO RIO ILLINOIS, em sua MARGEM, que o esqueleto de ZELPH foimorto, o LAMANITA BRANCO, e aí foi encontrado e comentado...

ZE SMITH comentou que esse LAMANITA BRANCO fora conhecido desde as MONTANHAS ROCHOSAS até NOVA IORQUE (até MONTE CUMORAH ---> ZÉ SMITH nunca ensinou mentiras de BYU, como que o MONTE CUMORAH ficasse na Guatemala...coisa que "embrulha estômago" de JUDEUS, pois ZÉ SMITH nunca ensinou que os NEFITAS viveram no MÉXICO ou na MESOAMÉRICA inclusive na GUATEMALA e nem foi a essa falsa Cumorah e falsa civilização Nefita: da "SERPENTE" enganadora).
http://br.geocities.com/transferire/SID ... istory.JPG

Clique sobre este LINQUE para ver a IMAGEM da "NASCENTE" do RIO SIDON=CIDON, que era a CAPITAL do REINO e TERRAS DO NORTE (ALMA 63:10), a que se chegava VELEJANDO (ou caminhando) para o NORTE da cidade de MANTI (do Livro de Mórmon) que é o NORTE da cidade atual de DETROIT...
A seguir, para ver a IMAGEM MUITO AMPLIADA, clique sobre a IMAGEM do mapa mostrado sobre a tela.

Veja que o RIO ILLINOIS era considerado como estando a DRENAR o LAGO ILLINOIS que é o LAGO MICHIGAN, porque de f ato DRENAVA MESMO e ainda DRENA o LAGO MICHIGAN (e é uma maneira de controlar o nível de água nos GRANDES LAGOS): porque é aí as CABECEIRAS DO RIO SIDON que são os GRANDES LAGOS como RIO "LÊNTICO" e existem muitos sites e livros a este respeito e estruturas hidráulicas de controle em CHICAGO. Fiz muitos sites a respeito, mostrando EXATAMENTE, onde, EM CHICAGO, que nasce o RIO SIDON do LIVRO DE MÓRMON. Veremos isso com base em FOTOS DE SATÉLITE e em outros mapas mais EXPLÍCITOS. Um RIO que corre para duas direções. De fato, no BRASIL existem RIOS que em suas cabeceiras, correm para duas grandes bacias hidrográficas distintas, o que permite que peixes da bacia do Prata acabem passando para a Bacia Amazônica e vice-versa e muitas reportagens já mostraram e demonstraram como e onde isso acontece... Incrível... O próprio Rio Eufrates, no passado, tanto drenava para o Mar Mediterrâneo quanto para o Golfo Pérsico, e isso é um fato bem conhecido dos geólogos da região e eu mesmo já apresentei trabalhos TÉCNICOS-científicos mostrando exatamente onde o rio Eufrates, que vinha das montanhas da Turquia, se bifurcava: próximo da gigantesca barragem hidroelétrica da Turquia em Ataturk (outros geológos, hidrólogos, tiveram proposições algo parecidas, baseadas em argumentos geológicos e hidráulicos...). Com isso é possível conciliar os relatos bíblicos de que o Éden era cercado por 4 rios...


E também "COMPARE" com o mapa aerofotogramétrico, plani-altimétrico cadastral, de alta precisão, do govêrno dos EUA, em que também apresentamos o traçado (aproximado, esquemático) do Rio KACHKASKA A ligando a PARTE SUL do LAGO MICHIGAN (para a esquerda, para o oeste) com o Rio ILLINOIS. Veja a MENSAGEM ANTERIOR e aqui a seguir reproduzido:

http://br.geocities.com/transferire/OSv ... CHIGAM.JPG

A seguir agora deveremos localizar a mais distante NASCENTE, a "CABECEIRA" do RIO SIDON, que alimenta todos esses BRAÇOS do RIO SIDON, e que também está situada nas imediações do tal Rio KACHKASKA A que liga a PARTE SUL do LAGO MICHIGAN (para a esquerda, para o oeste) com o Rio ILLINOIS. O trecho em VERDE do mapa acima é a VERDADEIRA NASCENTE, HEAD=CABEÇA, do Rio SIDON, que passa a alimentar DUAS BACIAS HIDROGRÁFICAS BEM DISTINTAS, uma drenando para o GOLFO DO MÉXICO e a outra drenando para os GRANDES LAGOS e RIO SÃO LOURENÇO. Igual situação existe no Brasil...

E assim poderemos examinar da cidade de MANTI=Detroit e seus "vários problemas" GEOGRÁFICOS e históricos, rumo às TERRAS DO NORTE: CHICAGO (lago Ilinois e rumo ao OUTRO RIO SIDON: ao Rio Ilinois, descendo rumo ao Rio Mississipi e ir para o Rio Missouri).


http://wikimapia.org/#lat=41.7359666&lo ... =0&m=s&v=1

CLIQUE e VEJA a CIDADE de CHICAGO, que era a CAPITAL da TERRA DO NORTE, a TERRA que se ia PARA O NORTE de MANTI=Detroit, VELEJANDO ou ANDANDO A PÉ (margeando o LAGO ILINOIS, hoje LAGO Saint Clair + HURON + MICHIGAN). O grande "MAR" que aí apararece é um MAR de água doce (como o MAR da Galiléia) e dirigindo-se para esse mar, para o canto direito superior, vê-se como que um pequeno RIO, que é ARTIFICIAL, e portanto é mais um CANAL de NAVEGAÇÃO e controle do nível de água nos Grandes Lagos (como para ter ÁGUA PARA IRRIGAÇÃO na bacia do Mississipi). Porém vê-se uma derivação desse canal para a parte inferior, de um outro RIOZINHO ou CANAL, que é para a CABECEIRA = HEADS = NASCENTES do RIO SIDON = CIDÃO, que fica mais ou menos no CANTO DIREITO INFERIOR dessa foto de satélite. E tem uma derivaçãozinha para uma estrutura que ADENTRA o LAGO MICHIGAN, que é um TERMINAL DE EMBARQUE de NAVIOS de PASSAGEIROS (principal uso) e de cargas, e que substitui o antigo terminal de passageiros dos INDÍGENAS... É mais ou menos onde o RIO SIDON descarregava no "MAR" do NORTE, no MAR ILINOIS, que no entender dos INDÍGENAS (NEFITAS e LAMANITAS) também drenava para o GOLFO PERSICO, porque se podia ir de CANOA direto do MAR ILINOIS (LAGO MICHIGAN) para o RIO ILLINOIS sem PRECISAR CARREGAR A CANOA NAS COSTAS. Bastava "subir" pelo RIO SIDON, num tipo de BAIXIO PANTANOSO, onde fica o atual EMBARCADEIRO de CHICAGO, e em seguida, descia-se pelo RIO ILLINOIS, cada vez mais caudaloso, rumo ao RIO MISSISSIPI. Na certa(?) pegava-se o auxílio de uma VELA (VELEIRO). Tem uma outra LIGAÇÃO DIRETA entre os CANAIS do SIDON e o LAGO MICHIGAN, bem visível pelo SATÉLITE, está mais ACIMA (à esquerda) do EMBARCADEIRO, mas acho que essa aí era uma pequena ligação que foi bem alargada modernamente. Como que um capilar do coração, que após um enfarte, acaba se tornando uma veia bem importante...

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=41.7359666&lo ... =0&m=s&v=1

Aqui podemos ver essas várias possibilidades de SAÍDAS DE NAVEGAÇÃO do LAGO MICHIGAN, ou seja, do MAR DO NORTE (de MANTI), que vão se AVOLUMANDO em termos de um RIO ILLINOIS cada vez mais CAUDALOSO, volumoso, ainda se deslocando para a esquerda.

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=41.7359666&lo ... =0&m=s&v=1

Pronto, o traçado do RIO ILLINOIS, agora já é bem visível e bem para a posição inferior da tela do vídeo. No lado bem esquerdo da tela já é bem visível o grosso RIO MISSISSIPI...

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=41.7359666&lo ... =0&m=s&v=1

Agora se vê bem nítido o MAR ILINOIS (dos indígenas), que é o atual LAGO MICHIGAN, que na sua parte inferior tem a cidade de CHICAGO, que é a PRINCIPAL CABECEIRA = FONTE = ORIGEM do Rio SIDON = CIDÃO = EL CID, o Rio ILLINOIS (de um lado que vem para o Golfo Pérsico) e do Rio São Lourenço (que vai atravessar todos os GRANDES LAGOS e o Canadá e vai desembocar no Atlântico Norte: por onde o veleiro dos MULEQUITAS subiu...). Veja que o Rio ILLINOIS "sai" do EMBARCADOURO de passageiros de CHICAGO (inicialmente era de passageiros NEFITAS = ALMA 63:10 e outros plebeus e importantes, milhares...) e já lhes mostramos que tal Rio SIDON ILINOIS se move principalmente para OESTE, um pouquinho para o SUL, então para o SUL, e então bastante para o OESTE (como que horizontalmente) e então vem descendo SUDOESTE até encontrar o MISSISSIPI (veja esta foto...).

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=41.7359666&lo ... =0&m=s&v=1

Pronto! Aqui já dá para ver a JUNÇÃO do Rio ILLINOIS no Rio Mississipi E em seguida do Rio Missouri no Rio Mississipi, nas imediações da cidade de Saint Louis... Muito antes de conhecer esta região, tive sonhos "TERRÍVEIS" sobre esse lugar, em 1980-83! Eu não era uma pessoa com um mínimo de religião, pelo contrário, e fiquei muito desesperado em saber o que poderia significar. Em 1985 fiquei sabendo, através de uma viagem turística indesejada e não planejada a St. Louis, que esse era o lugar dos sonhos terríveis, o que me deixou ainda mais perplexo e aterrorizado, porque os sonhos parece que eram lógicos e queriam dizer "alguma coisa" e ao visitar St. Louis eram evidentes que eles se referiam a algo do passado incômodo da região de St. Louis mas continuaria nadíssimo, não religioso por muitos anos...

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=39.4277074&lo ... =0&m=s&v=1

Pode-se observar, em maiores detalhes, como que esse TRIPLO ENTRONCAMENTO de rios. Pode-se ver, MAJESTOSO e PRINCIPAL, o RIO MISSISSIPI, e quase que VERTICAL, descendo o RIO ILLINOIS, vindo de CHICAGO (a capital do REINO DAS TERRAS DO NORTE de MANTI) e se vê, do entroncamento dos DOIS, saindo para a ESQUERDA, o RIO MISSISSIPI, como que fugindo da cidade de SAINT LOUIS.

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=40.2711437&lo ... =0&m=t&v=1

Vejamos agora onde o RIO MISSOURI nos conduz, VELEJANDO (caminhando?) para MONTANTE, ao longo de suas margens: até INDEPENDENCE, o LUGAR CENTRAL, a região onde o ZÉ SMITH foi morto. Aqui quase não se pode ver o RIO MISSOURI, mas pode-se ver bem a região desde CHICAGO (do MAR ou LAGO ILLINOIS=MICHIGAN até CHICAGO e sua ligação com o rio SIDON = RIO ILLINOIS descendo até encontrar o MISSISSIPI e o MISSOURI...) e subindo-o até INDEPENDENCE... e vejamos então com outro "filtro/escala":

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=39.0927655&lo ... =0&m=t&v=1

Aí está. O LADO DOS ÍNDIOS FOI SAQUEADO. Os EUA não tem PALAVRA. São TRATANTES. A terra sagrada dos índios virou KANSAS CITY (e ficam falando mal de nós... e nossas queimadinhas à toa... são uns HIPÓCRITAS DE MARCA MAIOR! As queimadas de combustíveis fósseis são trilhões de vezes mais prejudiciais... As nossas virão biomassa de novo, carne, madeira, pimenta, soja, milho, álcool, papel, mandioca, etc.). Vejam onde fica LIBERTY (não tem verdadeira LIBERTY por lá, é pura HIPOCRESY...). O caminho de SAINT LOUIS para INDEPENDENCE foi o CAMINHO dos NEFITAS e "depois" foi o dos SUD ianques.

Vamos agora seguir o caminho de ambos, rumo à WINTER QUARTERS, isto é, rumo à COUNCIL BLUFFS e WINTER QUARTERS. Os NEFITAS estavam indo só até RIO PLATTE e de lá seguiam para as MONTANHAS ROCHOSAS (não estavam preocupados com os EUA agindo como LOBOS FEROZES e FAMINTOS querendo "devorar" o MÉXICO a qualquer pretexto para ficar com o que prestava do MÉXICO, como o TEXAS e com a CALIFORNIA e a COSTA PACÍFICA...). Por certo os EUA não queriam ficar com os JAREDITAS MALÍGNOS e os hibridados com LAMANITAS SANGUINÁRIOS E INDOLENTES, LADRÕES, etc. e LATINOS.

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=40.1536869&lo ... =0&m=t&v=1

Podemos ver bem na parte superior, ao longo da linha branca irregular, a cidade de COUNCIL BLUFFS (que está junto a WINTER QUARTERS, que é uma LOCALIDADE hoje INEXISTENTE com esse nome...) E podemos ver na parte inferior, ao longo da linha branca irregular, a cidade de INDEPENDENCE (que hoje faz parte da cidade metropolitana de KANSAS CITY), e que o POVO JUDEU o POVO GENTIO "exterminou" nas reservas ou em "campos de concentração e GENOCÍDIO" (que tive o desprazer de VISITAR... isso os SALGADOS escondem... idem o TIO SAM, a menos os CASSINOS e BORDEIS, a nova INVENÇÃO para aculturar os ÍNDIOS, tornando-os RICOS e CORROMPIDOS). Acabaram com a LINHA DIVISÓRIA que separava JUDEUS (indígenas, descendentes do MULEQUITAS) e GENTIOS: a linha divisória da RESERVA INDÍGENA em INDEPENDENCE...

Muito bem, não vamos CHORAR com lágrimas de CROCODILO, lágrimas de SALGADOS...

De COUNCIL BLUFFS para LINCOL é a LINHA DO RIO PLATTE, e a linha de penetração dos NEFITAS rumo à PROTEÇÃO NAS MONTANHAS NEVADAS (nada SALGADAS), exatamente as mesmas MONTANHAS NEVADAS que protegeram os SANTOS no VALE SALGADO e permitiram a construção de uma comunidade SALGADA e de sua CIDADE DO VALE SALGADO, tal qual um VALE DO MAR MORTO... (se bem que não é assim tão morto... tive 2 oportunidades de conhecê-lo de bem perto e de provar tal água salgada... bem salgada). Mas esse MAR tem um EXUTÓRIO, uma saída na forma líquida, o que o outro só tem por evaporação... daí a salinidade extrema, típica de certos LAGOS ANDINOS...

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=41.2447723&lo ... =0&m=t&v=1

Como se vê, com o MAPA CENTRADO em COUNCIL BLUFFS, o rio MISSOURI vem da parte de CIMA do mapa, mas o que interessava para os NEFITAS era o RIO PLATTE, que era um RIO IMPORTANTE, e que estava vindo da ESQUERDA PARA A DIREITA e entrando no rio MISSOURI na parte inferior a COUNCIL BLUFFS. Portanto é por esse Rio PLATTE que os NEFITAS estavam indo e os SUD resolveram FUGIR DO LOBO EUA em seu ato de DEVORAR O MÉXICO a qualquer PRETEXTO, ficando longe dos ATOS DE CRUEL CARNIFICINA criminosa.

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=41.2199858&lo ... =0&m=t&v=1

Dá para ver esse Rio PLATTE seguindo, para MONTANte (para a MONTANHA ROCHOSA), desde aproximadamente COUNCIL BLUFFS, pelo traçado de OMAHA, Fremont, Schuyler, Columbus, Central City, Grand Island, Kearney, Lexington, Cozad, Gothenburg, NORTH PLATTE (que praticamente já é quase MONTANHAS ROCHOSAS: veja a mudança do padrão de coloração do chão...).

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=40.6306301&lo ... =0&m=t&v=1

Mantendo a cidade de NORTH PLATTE (que praticamente já é quase MONTANHAS ROCHOSAS), foi feito este mapa (foto) de satélite e podemos seguir, a partir de NORTH PLATTE, para a esquerda: Sutherland, Ogallala, Julesburg, Sterling, Brush, Fort Morgan, DENVER, AURORA ---> PRONTO! JÁ ESTAMOS NAS MONTANHAS ROCHOSAS!


http://wikimapia.org/#lat=37.4312505&lo ... =0&m=t&v=1

Vejam onde está DENVER e AURORA na parte superior (quase no limite) da tela e
Vejam onde está ALBUQUERQUE (que é o paredão em LOS LUNAS, quase que subúrbio)
e ambos estão nas MONTANHAS ROCHOSAS,
para onde JOSÉ SMITH (o tal profeta "ZÉ") disse que estava cheio de NEFITAS ESCONDIDOS e onde o LAMANITA ZELPH era CONHECIDO, um c ara tão importante e famoso que também era conhecido em todo o IMPÉRIO NEFITA, sendo conhecido até em MONTE CUMORAH.

Vocês sab em o que quer dizer CUMORAH? CUMO + R + AH?

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=34.9669989&lo ... =0&m=t&v=1

Vejam onde fica LOS LUNAS, onde existem INSCRIÇÕES, com CARACTERES CINZELADOS em NEFÍTICO = SABÉLLICO (parecem com FENÍCIO, que é um tipo de EGÍPCIO reformado, também um tipo de GREGO pelo avesso, também um tipo de Egípcio reformado... com aspectos da língua e gramática dos hebreus...). Como se vê, dá para ir a pé de ALBUQUERQUE até LOS LUNAS. E não é assim tão PERTO de LAS VEGAS (já joguei algumas vezes por lá...) ou da CIDADE DOS SALGADOS, digo, CIDADE DO LAGO SALGADO.

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=35.0794603&lo ... =0&m=h&v=1

A pequena CRUZ BRANCA ( " + " ) está junto da cidade de ALBUQUERQUE, no Novo México. Podemos ver onde está a CIDADE DO LAGO SALGADO (perto de uma MANCHA QUASE BRANCA) e LAS VEGAS está mais para baixo e mais para a esquerda, para os lados de LOS ANGELES. Podemos ver que LAS VEGAS está mais perto de LOS LUNAS (e Albuquerque) do que da Cidade do Lago Salgado... e podemos ver que a CIVILIZAÇÃO DOS SANGUINÁRIOS, dos JAREDITAS SEDENTOS DE SANGUE e de continuados SACRIFÍCIOS AOS DEMÔNICOS (com falsos sacerdotes e tiranos que oprimem o povo e fazem conquistas para terem prisioneiros para sacrificar para "agradar Deus = DEMÔNIOS"), nos reinos do MÉXICO, estavam MUITO LONGE, para baixo... (lá é o "jardim das delícias" dos sábios de BYU e dos investimentos da Igreja em coisas tão sanguinárias, repudiadas até pelos invasores católicos que destruiram tudo o que puderam, mataram os sacerdotes, etc.) e colocaram igrejas em cima daquilotudo... Os MAUS JAREDITAS (nunca do Convênio, nunca exterminados) e bem hibridados com LAMANITAS, estavam bem LONGE DAS MONTANHAS ROCHOSAS... Vejam que ÊXODO tiveram que fazer os NEFITAS desde CHICAGO para virem se abrigar nas MONTANHAS ROCHOSAS... E que dizer do Sr. de SIPAN (CIPAN), como que encarnando um DEMÔNIO SEDENTO DE SANGUE, na figura de um seu SACERDOTE, nos Templos da América do Sul (Peru). No fundo todas essas culturas extra-Nefitas de ao redor dos Grandes Lagos eram todas dominadas por religiões demoníacas, em variados graus de crueldade e que os tolos de BYU nos fazem ter "ternuras" por elas, reproduzindo seus feitos "civilizatórios" nas capas dos materiais de ensino da Igreja. É como que reproduzir Bezerros de Ouro, e mesmo que não os adoremos, utilizá-los para fins de "embelezaemento", colocando-os nas alturas, esperando que eles possam ensinar alguma coisa distinta e fazendo concorrencia com tantas outras figuras e bois nos aires.
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Re: HEAD of SIDON RIVER (north BRANCH) and of SIDON RIVER south

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The next article is on SPECIFIC "HEAD of SIDON RIVER"

It is in English Language. It was posted in Web em Jun 08th, 2009.

http://br.groups.yahoo.com/group/mormons_brasil/message/1435

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CHICAGO Flow Nephites (Alma 63:10, LAND NORTH OF DETROIT MANTI =) x to the Rocky Mountains to the exodus of the LDS to Salt Lake

This is the continuation of the previous post, No. 1434:

ROUTES OF MOVEMENT GEOGRAFICS DETAILS the ever-expanding and Decline of the Nephites / Mulekite COMPARISON WITH the SIMILARES and demonstrate / experienced by the LDS Church and in modern times ("last days").

And that is centered on maps No. 11 and 12 of the LDS Scriptures for Multiple Brazilians:

http://www.geocities.com/celsoely/progr ... EFITAS.jpg
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(Click to see larger size with more details ..

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Don't forget! The maps above are "blurred" ... TO SEE WITH MORE DETAILS and power, "read the text", examine the map: Click on the link ABOVE! Because the comments are based on examining the larger map ... (By clicking on the hot link and open a "map reduced in size" and instead of the mouse appears a circle with a "+" in the center, click on the map and the map will expand in size and detail.

MAP 11: upper.

See the upper right corner: very important for the descendentt from CIVILIZATION. NEPHITS wer CHICAGO (which was how the capital from the northern lands, where they were going that huge amount of immigrants who are in Alma 63:4,9, would be to there=Chicago sailing from the north of Manti which is the current DETROIT; they depart from there SAILING in huge SAIL SHIPS (JUMBO=GALEon) the Sail from HAGOTH Alma 63:5,6,7 and even priests were sailing. big men, and sailing for this "new capital"=Chicago as in Alma 63:10).

And from there=Chicago same (no need to get off the boat) go continue navigate down to the Illinois River and went by river to Gulf of Mexico and to the Rocky Mountains = refuge. Escape route there was started via the Illinois River from the upper right corner of the map, traveling to The Canoe in the upper = start of the map (according to reports at the time of colonization) and thereafter = downstream with the help of SAIL (velejando. .. ), downstream, to go FASTER, MORE by rivers (the Nephites and mastered the art technology and build sailing SAILBOATS).

See who soon reached the Mississippi River and soon after he moved the navigation course to the Missouri River, which they went up, probably as sailing: you passed INDEPENDENCE, which was the headquarters of the Church (passed by the region of Joseph where Smith died because they quit to run for the Rockies Mountain, then gave up because the Nephites who fled ...

And so Joe Smith made Zelph did and it was dead ...). WAS ALONG THE ILLINOIS RIVER, in its margin, the skeleton of Zelph who was killed, the white Lamanite, and then was found and commented ...

Joseph Smith commented that the white Lamanite was known from the Rockies Mountain to New York (until Cumorah ---> Joseph Smith never taught lies BYU, as the Hill Cumorah to stay in Guatemala ... thing that revolt the stomath, the "stomach wraps" of JEWS because Joseh Smith never taught the Nephites lived in Mexico or even in GUATEMALA in Mesoamerica, nor was this false and false Cumorah Nephite civilization in Mexico and MesoAmerica: the "snake" misleading is destroying Joseph Smith's work).

http://br.geocities.com/transferire/SIDONvaiMISSISSIPPIviaRioILLINOIShistory.JPG
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Click this hot link to view the image of "source" (HEAD OF) of the river Sidon = Cydonia, which was the capital of the kingdom, and LAND OF THE NORTH (Alma 63:10), who came to sail (or walking) to the north of MANTI (the Book of Mormon) that is north of the city's current DETROIT ...

Next, the IMAGE to see greatly expanded, click on the map image displayed on the screen.

See the Illinois River was considered to be the DRAINING LAKE ILLINOIS LAKE MICHIGAN which is because of f act and still SAME DRAIN DRAIN LAKE MICHIGAN (and is a way to control the water level in the Great Lakes): why around the headwaters of the river Sidon that are GREAT LAKES RIVER as "lentic" and there are many websites and books about this and hydraulic control structures in Chicago.

I made many sites about it, showing exactly where in Chicago, which rises the river Sidon Book of Mormon. We will see this based on satellite photos and other maps more explicit. A river flowing in two directions. In fact, there are rivers in BRAZIL in its headwaters flow into two distinct major watersheds, which allows the Plata basin fish end up going to the Amazon basin and vice versa, and many reports have shown and demonstrated how and where it happens ... Incredible ...

Even the Euphrates River, in the past, both draining into the Mediterranean Sea and the Persian Gulf, and it is a fact well known to geologists in the region and I myself have presented scientific papers showing exactly where the river Euphrates, which came from mountains of Turkey, forked, close to the huge hydroelectric dam in Turkey's Ataturk (other geologists, hydrologists, had something similar propositions, arguments based on geological and hydraulic ...). This makes it possible to reconcile the biblical accounts that Eden was surrounded by four rivers ... I worked with Jews, many years (starting in 1.999) to demonstrate this, in a nice scientific work, about Rivers of Eden and Garden of Eden. Published. It would had been impossible with BYU/FAIR. For evident reasons.

And also "COMPARE" aerophotogrammetric with the map, topographic cadastral, high precision, the U.S. government, which also have the trait (approximate schematic) KACHKASKA The River connecting the southern part of Lake Michigan (to the left to the west) with the Illinois River. See the previous message is reproduced here below:

http://br.geocities.com/transferire/OSv ... CHIGAM.JPG
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I rescued this file through MEDIAFILE. CLICK ON URL to see the image very much enlarge, SOMETHING it would be necessary.

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/716e4396d73a30e37a82761e318ff38878c6d6004df853070ed1174fc4da2f866g.jpg to see the HEAD OF SIDON into metropolitan urban area of CHICAGO.

Image

Here now we find the farthest east, the "heads" of the river Sidon, which feeds all these ARMS of the river Sidon, which is also located in the vicinity of such KACHKASKA The River that connects the southern part of Lake Michigan (to left, west) with the Illinois River. The passage in GREEN above map is the true source, HEAD = HEAD, the river Sidon, which goes to feed TWO DIFFERENT WATERSHED WELL, one draining into the Gulf of Mexico and the other draining to the Great Lakes and St. Lawrence River. Same situation exists in Brazil ...

And so we look at the city of Detroit and its MANTI = "various problems" geographical and historical, into the northern lands: CHICAGO (Illinois lake and towards the river Sidon OTHER: the Illinois River, down into the Mississippi River and go to Missouri River).


http://wikimapia.org/#lat=41.7359666&lo ... =0&m=s&v=1

Click to see the City of Chicago, which was the capital of the north, the land that was going to North MANTI = Detroit, sailing or walking on foot (around the lake Illinois, today Saint Clair + HURON LAKE MICHIGAN +) . The great "SEA" apears that there is a sea of ​​fresh water (as the Sea of ​​Galilee) and headed for the sea, to the upper right corner, it is seen as a small river, which is artificial, and therefore is more a shipping channel and control the water level in the Great Lakes (and to take water for irrigation in the basin of the Mississippi). But we see a derivation of this channel to the bottom of a creek or other channel which is to the head HEADS = = = SPRINGS CIDA of the river Sidon, which is more or less on the bottom right of this satellite photo. And it has a little shift to a structure that enters Lake Michigan, which is a departure terminal for passenger ships (main use) and loads, and replacing the old passenger terminal of the Indigenous ...

It is more or less where the river Sidon in unloading "SEA" NORTH SEA in Illinois, which in the opinion of the INDIGENOUS (Nephites and Lamanites) also drained into the Gulf because they could go straight from the SEA CANOE Illinois (LAKE MICHIGAN ) for the ILLINOIS RIVER CANOE without having to carry back. It was enough to "bump" the river Sidon, a kind of swampy lowlands
IT IS WHAT IS WRITTEN IN Book of Mormon !!!!
, where the current is "EMBARCADERO" of CHICAGO, and then down the Illinois River is increasingly flowing toward the Mississippi River.

In some (?) Picked up the aid of a SAIL (SAIL). There is another direct link between the Channels of Sidon and Lake Michigan, visible by satellite, is above (left) of "EMBARCADERO" ("BOARDING"), but I think there was this one little connection that was enlarged and refurbished. As a thin vein as a hair of the heart, that after a stroke, becomes a very important by-pass vein ... (my case...)

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=41.7359666&lo ... =0&m=s&v=1

Here we can see these various possibilities OUT PUTS NAVIGATION LAKE MICHIGAN, ie the North Sea (to maintain), which will mount up in terms of an increasingly ILLINOIS RIVER FLOW, bulky, even moving to the left.

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=41.7359666&lo ... =0&m=s&v=1

There, the route of the Illinois River, it is now clearly visible and well into position below the video screen. On the left of the screen as well as the bulk is clearly visible ... MISSISSIPPI RIVER

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=41.7359666&lo ... =0&m=s&v=1

Now you see very clear SEA Illinois (indigenous), which is the current Lake Michigan, which at its lower part has the city of Chicago, which is the MAIN SOURCE BED SIDE = = = ORIGIN of the river Sidon CIDON = EL CID, the Illinois River (coming from one side to the Persian-like Gulf) and the St. Lawrence River (which goes through all the Great Lakes and Canada and will culminate in the North Atlantic, from where the boat came with the Mulekite ...).

See the Illinois River "rises" DOCKING passenger in CHICAGO (passenger was initially NEPHITES = 63:10 ALMA and CARGO=TIMBER and other commoners and important, thousands cargo timber ...) and I show them that this river Sidon Illinois moves mainly to West , a little further south, then south, then enough for the West (as it horizontally) and then comes down to finding the Southwest Mississippi (see this picture ...).

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=41.7359666&lo ... =0&m=s&v=1

Ready! Here you can already see the junction of the Illinois River in the Mississippi River and then the Missouri River in the Mississippi River, near the city of St. Louis ... Long before know this region, I had dreams "terrible" about this place in 1980-83! I was not a person with a minimum of religion, however, and I was desperate to know what it might mean. In 1985 I learned through a tourist unwanted and unplanned St. Louis, this was the place of terrifying dreams, which made me even more bewildered and terrified, because it seems that the dreams were logical and meant "some thing "and visiting St. Louis was evident that they refer to something past the discomfort of the St. Louis region nadíssimo but still, not religious for many years ... I discovered,in St. Louis,that the dreams since 1981, were about St. Louis region,but in early 1800' before electricity and boats running in Mississipi, wood made, and steampowered... I was not LDS and it was a terrible discovery know that I existed before be born.

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=39.4277074&lo ... =0&m=s&v=1

It can be seen in greater detail, as this TRIPLE Junction of rivers. You can see majestic and HOME, the Mississippi River, and almost vertically, down the Illinois River, from Chicago (the capital of the UNITED LAND NORTH of Manti) and can be seen, the junction of the two, leaving to Left, the Mississippi River, as if fleeing from the city of St. Louis.

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=40.2711437&lo ... =0&m=t&v=1

Let us now see where the Missouri River leads, sailing (walking?) Upstream along its banks, until independence, the central place, the region where Joseph Smith was dead. Here you can hardly see the Missouri River, but you can clearly see the area from Chicago (the sea or lake = MICHIGAN ILLINOIS CHICAGO and its connection to the river Sidon = Illinois River down to find the Mississippi and Missouri ... ) and moving it to INDEPENDENCE ... and then to see another "filter / scale":

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=39.0927655&lo ... =0&m=t&v=1

There. The side of the Indians was sacked. The U.S. has no word. Are rascals. The sacred land of the Indians turned KANSAS CITY (and they are talking bad about us ... and our Little burns of forests for nothing ... they are hypocrites BRAND GREATER! The burning of fossil fuels are trillions of times more harmful ... Our will new biomass, meat, timber, pepper, soy, corn, alcohol, paper, cassava, etc.).. See where is LIBERTY (LIBERTY has no real out there, is pure HIPOCRESY ...). The path to SAINT LOUIS INDEPENDENCE WAY was the Nephites and "after" was the LDS Yankees.

Let us now follow the path of both, towards WINTER QUARTERS, that is, toward Council Bluffs and Winter Quarters. The Nephites were just going up the Platte River and from there headed to the Rockies (they were not concerned about the U.S. acting like wild wolves and hungry trying to "devour" Mexico at any excuse to stay with what's paid MEXICO, TEXAS as and California and Costa Pacifica ...). Certainly the U.S. does not want to stay with the Jaredites hybridized with malignant and the Lamanites bloody and indolent, THIEVES, etc.. and Latin America.

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=40.1536869&lo ... =0&m=t&v=1

We can see clearly at the top, along the white line irregular, the city of Council Bluffs (which is near Winter Quarters, which is a place now non-existent with that name ...) And we can see the bottom, along the irregular white line, the city of Independence (now part of the metropolitan city of Kansas City), JEWISH PEOPLE, and that the heathen people "killed off" in the reserves or on "Genocide and concentration camps" (which had the displeasure of VISIT ... that the salted hide ditto ... Uncle Sam, unless the casinos and brothels, the new invention to acculturate the Indians, making them rich and corrupt). Gone with the dividing line that separated Jews (indigenous, descendants of Mulekite) and Gentiles: the dividing line of Indian reservations in Independence ...

Well, let's not CRY with crocodile tears, tears of salted ...

Council Bluffs Lincoln is the line to the Platte River, and the line towards the penetration of the Nephites in the snowy mountains PROTECTION (not saltwater), exactly the same snowy mountains, which protected the VALE SANTOS SALGADO and allowed the construction of a community and SALT VALLEY CITY your SALGADO, like an VALLEY THE DEAD SEA ...

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=41.2447723&lo ... =0&m=t&v=1

As seen with the map centers in Council Bluffs, the Missouri River comes from the top of the map, but what mattered to the Nephites was the Platte River, which was an important river, which was coming from LEFT TO RIGHT and into the Missouri River in Council Bluffs to the bottom. So this is why the Platte River, the Nephites were going and decided to flee the LDS WOLF USA in his act of devouring MEXICO under any pretext, getting away from the criminal carnage CRUEL ACTS.

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=41.2199858&lo ... =0&m=t&v=1

You can see this by following the Platte River, upstream (to the ROCKY MOUNTAIN) since around Council Bluffs, for the design of Omaha, Fremont, Schuyler, Columbus, Central City, Grand Island, Kearney, Lexington, Cozad, Gothenburg, NORTH PLATTE ( that practically it is almost ROCKY MOUNTAINS: see the change in the pattern of staining the floor ...).

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=40.6306301&lo ... =0&m=t&v=1

Keeping the city of North Platte (which is almost virtually ROCKY MOUNTAINS), this map was made (photo) satellite and we can move from NORTH PLATTE, left: Sutherland, Ogallala, Julesburg, Sterling, Brush, Fort Morgan, DENVER, AURORA ---> READY! WE ARE ALREADY IN THE ROCKY MOUNTAINS!


http://wikimapia.org/#lat=37.4312505&lo ... =0&m=t&v=1

See where Denver and Aurora at the top (barely) of the screen and
See where ALBUQUERQUE (which is the wall in Los Lunas, almost a suburb)
and both are in the Rocky Mountains
where Joseph Smith (the prophet as "Joe") said it was full of Nephites and where the Lamanite HIDDEN Zelph was known, a c ara so important and famous who was also known throughout the Empire NEPHITE and is known even in the Hill Cumorah .

Sat on what you mean Cumorah? CUMO + R + AH?

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=34.9669989&lo ... =0&m=t&v=1

See where Los Lunas is, where there are inscriptions with Carved In NEPHITE CHARACTERS = Sabella (look like the Phoenicians, who is a kind of reformed Egyptian, Greek is also a kind of upside down, also a kind of reformed Egyptian ... with aspects of the Hebrew language and grammar ...). You see, you can walk to Los Lunas from Albuquerque. And is not that near Las Vegas (I've played there a few times ...) or the CITY OF SALTED, say, Salt Lake City.

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=35.0794603&lo ... =0&m=h&v=1

The small white crosses ("+") is near the city of Albuquerque, New Mexico. We can see where the Salt Lake City (next to a patch almost white) and Las Vegas is down more and more to the left, to the sides of LOS ANGELES. We can see that Las Vegas is closer to Los Lunas (and Albuquerque) than Salt Lake City ... and we can see that the civilization of the bloodthirsty Bloodthirsty Jaredite and continued SACRIFICES TO Demon (with false priests and tyrants who oppress the people and they have achievements for prisoners to sacrifice to "please God = Demons"), in the realms of MEXICO, was far away, down ...
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Re: HEAD of SIDON RIVER (north BRANCH) and of SIDON RIVER south

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The head of SIDON RIVER. In reality it is the region of TWO HEAD of TWO SIDON RIVER. One GOING NORTH, and that is the SIDON RIVER mentioned in BOOTH OF Mormon. And we have another, in the same region (of CHICAGO), the other HEAD of other SIDON RIVER branch SOUTH, that goes SOUTH DIRECTION, and that is the ILLINOIS RIVER. THIS DRAWING WAS FIRST POSTED IN WEB IN 2005.


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Re: HEAD of SIDON RIVER (north BRANCH) and of SIDON RIVER south

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You know, Senior ELYSAB, the Book of Mormon talks of elaborate clothing of fined twined linen. It never mentions furs for the 70' below zero wind chill factor that is consistent EVERY winter around the Great Lakes.

Ether 10: 24
24 And they did have silks, and fine-twined linen; and they did work all manner of cloth, that they might clothe themselves from their nakedness.


And it also speaks of the Lamanites running around in their underwear of loin skins ALL THE TIME.
Hardly appropriate for any time of year up around the Great Lakes. And shaved heads is another tell.

I doubt the most robust of Native American was ever found standing outside in his loin-cloth in winter around the Great Lakes. And winter was never mentioned in the Book of Mormon. ? Winter is found in the Bible 14 times. And we know that the Holy Land was much more mild than where the gales of November come early.

Alma 3: 5
5 Now the heads of the Lamanites were shorn; and they were naked, save it were skin which was girded about their loins, and also their armor, which was girded about them, and their bows, and their arrows, and their stones, and their slings, and so forth.


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Re: HEAD of SIDON RIVER (north BRANCH) and of SIDON RIVER south

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I was one owner of a quite big precision making topographic and air-photogrametry company of Brazil and I was the Technical Director of such Mapping Maker company that made precision maps for urban areas of big towns of Brazil and for road design/construction, hydroelectric (hydropower), etc. Thus you should examine my maps as MAPS of the real world, not as IMAGINARY WORLD as from BYU for an imaginary geography of some imaginary Book of imaginary Mormon.

This case of HEAD OF SIDON RIVER, in fact HEAD of SIDON RIVER NORTH (toward MANTI town = DETROIT RIVER and all classic Geography of Book of Mormon) and HEAD OF SIDON RIVER SOUTH (toward the place where ZELPH skeleton was found next to the ILLINOIS RIVER, by Joseph Smith, clearly part of Nephitic Empire...
Toward the place where they found the KINDERHOOK PLATS...
toward the Rocky Mountains, where it was found LOS LUNAS refuge of the Nephites, by the Jews, so incompetent were the BYU so slaved toward Mexico, quite nearby, and to Guatemala: pagan only civilizations, nothing to do with Nephites or Nephites characters and language...).

Probably the WEATHER condition was NOT PROVIDED TO INCREASE THE MISTERY related to the Book of Mormon. The same is true also in relation to the Bible, where meteorological conditions are not provided or also are ultra vague and limited in so huge period. Even for conventional wars it not usual to provide the meteorological conditions. If it was raining or snowing, if it was a hot sunny or cold day, if they were facing a hurricane of just a storm (as Nephi when tied to the sail ship at the south of the Cape town, South Africa)...

You are wrong in the sense that the seeds and vegetal describe in Book of Mormon are of SEVERE WINTER TIME and they were found in the traditional NEPHITIC EMPIRE, as from CHICAGO to ONTARIUM LAKE, including GRAPES and APPLES and native grain seeds, onions and garlic from Egypt, etc. Jews make "mockery"... Many discussions in Book of Mormon are related to wood construction material, transported by the huge heavy cargo sailship HAGOTH's one, by huge distance, to make HOMES to replace cement/stone homes that were too cold in winter. Thus their DREAM was to have wood homes. The great consumption of wood caused environmental DISGRACES around great lakes, in Jaredict and Nephitic period. Do you know about Environmental bad impacts? I teach that for 33 years... I learned that studying in Berkeley, U.Calif.

Do you think that war is not made 365 days of the year, but during some limited period of the year? The disgrace of Napoleon and Hitler was to try to make war during the wintertime. General Winter defeated them. If the battles were made in summer, then they could be naked. I remember to visit Chicago, Buffalo and Montreal and Quebec in summer time, and it was so hot I could be undressed of a shirt or hat. In Montreal I visited some type of Botanical Garden with native plants of North America and it included grapes and Apple. Ask to any BYU if they ever found some NATIVE GRAPE AND APPLES in MEXICO or GUATEMALA? IMPOSSIBLE!!! Such NATIVE PLANTS, among of so many, are of COLD WEATHER, COLD CLIMATE ONLY. They are pointing to GREAT LAKES! To Cumorah... Salty Frogs (SCIENTISTS?).

What about the CURELONS? They are the "DOGS" that are used to pull a kind of chariots on the ice (frozen rivers or lakes or sea...) or on snowed coved frozen soil, during the winter time on CANADA and ALASKA. It is from NEPHITIC WORD, SABELLIC WORD:

CUR + EL + ON read the opposite (as sabellic and nephitic language)

ON + EL + CUR

ON = of great value
el = VALUABLE AS IF DIVINE
"CUR" in ancient language is "dog"
Cur Dog History
www.huntingdogos.com/cur_dog_history.asp
The "cur" dog is one of the few working breeds that originates right here in the United States. They come from different lines, and of different types. While all have ...
It appears BYU is so biased that didn't notice that Book of Mormon is pointing toward a "quite cold land" for the Nephites Empire. They should nad known about the "sabellian/Nephite roots"--> as CUR <--, instead of stay sudying, too much, languages that have nothing to do with Nephites.
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Re: HEAD of SIDON RIVER (north BRANCH) and of SIDON RIVER south

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Wow, that reminds of conspiracy theorists who find "patterns" in the newspaper if you circle words according to some esoteric algorithm.
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Re: HEAD of SIDON RIVER (north BRANCH) and of SIDON RIVER south

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These subjects also were posted, in Portuguese Language, in its first version, some 6 years ago. Thus it is nothing new. There is none "conspiration" or something like that in such themme. Also the research was not based on ESOTERISM. It was based on serious study and serious research, believing the prophet Joseph Smith was a honest person...

For the study and research I used very good and of high precision maps from USGS service from US. Also I used hydrogeolic studies related to rivers/lakes and transposition of water from the basin of Lake Michigan to the Illinois River. There are many serious studies on that that show how easy is such handling of water. In fact the two basins are quite like "interconnected".

In past, when the hydrologic cycle was favorable, it was very easy to make the transposition by canoe. There is plenty literature on that, even through web, in Museums and research centers from Chicago. But US people knows very little about such past.
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Re: HEAD of SIDON RIVER (north BRANCH) and of SIDON RIVER south

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Elysab, thanks for posting all of this. I agree with you that the North American geographical model fits the Book of Mormon much better than the Meso theory and your theory of the Sidon River is the best explanation I've seen so far that addresses the characteristics of it. There are lots of archaeological evidences that point to supporting the North American geographical model as well.

Again, thank you!
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