The problem with Moroni's challenge

[_Buffalo]

You can certainly test for evolution, dark matter, love, and hate. If you think that God is an abstract concept akin to logic or ethics, I'll be the first to agree with you. But all gods, especially the Mormon god, encroach upon the physical world and subject themselves to falsification. And where they do so, they fail the test.

baby step me through the clouds, please.

first show me "test for evolution"....i can wait.

Oh my. I suppose next you'll be asking for a test for gravity.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 075601.htm

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[_Themis]

I have to agree with Buffalo +1

Thanks,

Hasa Diga Eebowai

Although it's nice to see some defenders here admit that it could be internally generated, as apposed to those like subgenius who just assert absolutes in regards to spirituality, it's is more common among your average member to admit such, at least in some situations. I find many apologists have a hard time admitting things that don't support or hinder their position of the church being true.

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[_Tarski]

is that all you got? the old prove God with a test tube rebuttal? classic, impotent, but still classic.

Actually, you have things just backwards, the God in a test tube trope is used by religionists: "hey ya can't put God in a test tube buddy".

This attack on skeptics is a cliché move from your side of the tracks-not ours.

This is just a lame attempt at a conversation stopper and version of this "ignore the evidence--just feel it in your heart" trick is used by all sorts of cults and religions to divert attention away from troubling facts about the religion.

Sorry, but evidence and reason still matter even (and especially) when we are talking about things people are emotional about (like their religion).

Next you will be asking me how I can explain the taste of salt to someone who hasn't tasted it.

[_Corpsegrinder]

is that all you got? the old prove God with a test tube rebuttal…

its just like how you can't test for Evolution or Dark Matter or "this sentence is false"…

first show me "test for evolution"....

Your abrupt attempts to change the subject are, in effect, a concession that relying on Moroni’s Challenge yields inconsistent and unreliable results…like any other form of divination. You’re essentially running away from the subject of this thread: The Problem with Moroni’s Challenge.

easily addressed......simply put "nope". Moroni's challenge has no relation to folk magic (nor have you proven any relation apart from your usual "i sez so").

On the contrary, the Church’s professional apologists assert that folk magic, as practiced in Joseph’s day, is indeed indistinguishable from religion. Refer to the following…

http://en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith/Occultism_and_magic

and "indistinguishable from religion" is an opinion, of which i do not confirm, nor do i assume it has any factual support.

It is, on the contrary, an informed opinion--again, refer to the link provided.

You are aware, I trust, that Moroni’s Challenge--along with the rest of the Book of Mormon--was "translated" with a brown peep stone that Joseph found while digging a well on the Mason Chase farm?