It is quite known the LDS people "dreams" in building a LDS Temple in Jerusalem. It is quite known that the LDS is quite biased against Jews and Muslim religious people. Maybe their secret desire is that something like Sodom takes place and Fire comes down and exterminates both people because they resist conversion. And at the same type they don't preach to both people and don't like to be friends to both of them.
Well, that is the impression. That the relationship is not so "easy". And in any way their "dream" is to have a Temple in Jerusalem, where there is a clear attrition between Judaism and Islamism because of the desire of Judaism religion in having restored again a new Temple in Jerusalem. And worst of all, their dream, desire and quite like "decision" is to remove the Islamic Sanctuary from over the Last Temple. And restore a New Temple over the Last Temple. Quite like a "war, conflict" is already on the war, just with the "idea" of demolishing the "Islamic Sanctuary" and replacing it by the "New Temple".
Should there be an old Divine order, an old revelation to a prophet to do that? NO! There is not! As far as I verified. The decision is political, rabbinical... Of nowadays.
Thus, acting quite like a Rabine LDS, I did some LDS rabbinic studies to locate new studies for new possible temples. And on how they could be built and the consequences/impacts. In fact the the new temple was foreseen by ancient prophets...
In fact the LDS religion should have done the proposal to build it for Jews and LDS as a communal Temple. Because it will be for WHOLE Israel, for 12 tribes, not for a given sect. Maybe some of it could be for LDS religion (a little corner): who knows? Old Temple was even for people coming from far away people as far from ETHIOPIA... The Greeks (Sabelli/Nephites).
So many and long articles were published in some Orthodox Jewish sites, some years ago: no rancid LDS, as Mormondialogue. Maybe we could reproduce them here, maybe improve them for LDS viewpoints and add comments. I am not LDS prophet. Also it was long discussed how quickly the Dead Sea could become healed and become plenty of fishes and even generating electricity.
Jews appears me normal humans. It appears there is a easy way to convert them... Or would it take the Millenium for that? It is notable that true Jews are those for true Judah and Benjamin tribes.. They generate very big and beautiful David's Star on their fronts. People of Israel made big Laugh on theirs. Not my case. Also I am not from Efraim: nice! We are like cattle:we marks. Cattle man can chase us quite ease... Even if hidden in caves.
FUTURE TEMPLE FOR JERUSALEM (NOT LDS - ?) SUGGESTED FOR JEWS
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Re: FUTURE TEMPLE FOR JERUSALEM (NOT LDS - ?) SUGGESTED FOR JEWS
This is a very long article that was presented in Yahoo Group for SUD (LDS of Brazil) and for Orthodox Jews (of some sects) and deals with some strange things as the THIRD (valid) TEMPLE, the ISRAEL LAND as Restored GARDEN of EDEN, about EDEN (it was featured, with Jews, also about the "Other Garden of Eden", Adam Ondi Ahman and its features: since 1999, in a long USA research, only for Jews), and about Rivers of Eden and Garden of Eden (including underground river as the one to sprout in the New Temple, etc.). Things were not for LDS/BYU according Washington agreement: not mixing with religions/discussions, etc. Some words are strange, but are "cultural" related, as ours "Kolob" words...
http://br.groups.yahoo.com/group/mormons_brasil/message/1671
Final MAP of the LAND tittled as GARDEN OF EDEN showing in it the location of the "MAIN" INTERNAL RIVER, from the START (in the VERY FIRST TEMPLE, in ADAM's DAYS, and to be restored in the FUTURE TEMPLE, as foreseen by PROPHETS, in OLIVE MOUNTS in JERUSALEM TEMPLE, where WATER will sprout from FOUNTAINS, with main one under the THRONE, and ground waters will add up to generate such MAIN RIVER OF EDEN, flowing toward EAST, going to HEAL the "DEAD SEA", that will be plenty of FRESH WATER FISHES.
Thus we are to evaluate some aspects related to its TOPOGRAPHY and HYDRAULICS of the flow. Also some of the hydro-geology related on how the water sprouts in fountains, in ADAM's days and is restored in FUTURE TEMPLE days. We may guess that in some aspects one situation is quite like the MIRROR of the other.
Thus this bring some ideas to the mind that in ADAM's days they were living in a HUGE TEMPLE, that was OPEN type, without ROOF. And that now it will be ROOFED, but some features will survived, as the GARDEN OF EDEN being next to the TEMPLE, with a portion of the MAIN RIVER OF EDEN, in its HEAD, STARTING just at the FUTURE TEMPLE, in the Mounts of the Olives. Thus a nice symbolism, with TEMPLE will continue surrounded by
GARDEN OF EDEN, now not so ROOFLESS as in ADAM's days. It is possible that the TREE OF LIFE may have as symbolism the structure the walls of the TEMPLE (itself), as if a huge conifer tre (huge one, very high) now allowing people to "come to it", as if people entering (or passing throug and under some huge trees Sequoias in CaliforniaYosemite National Park, including passing with their car itself):
http://www.yosemite.ca.us/library/handbook_of_yosemite_national_park/sequoia.html
We are to PRESENT the MOST GENERAL MAP of the MOST IMPORTANT RIVER of the GARDEN OF EDEN LAND.
Thus such River, TEMPLE RIVER, is totally INTERNAL to such LAND, starting from the THRONE of the FUTURE TEMPLE (and from the PLACE where ADAM and EVE lived, suffered temptation and failed in their PROBATION).
There it was placed the "TREE OF LIFE" and we can reason (speculate) that such "TREE (of life)" (is just a symbolism) would require also the "LIVING WATERS" ("SAP"). Thus TREE requires living waters ("lives in no desert"), thus is linked to nearby GHION waters SPROUTING from ground, ground waters irrigating the GARDEN, making it "fertile land", and ADAM taking care of the irrigation system.
This is related from an OLD LITERATURE, we posted in web, about other type of KABALA we introduced about the symbolic meaning of existence and presence of TREE OF LIFE. It has little similarity with Jewish ideas (esoteric), as has none link with past tradition, because it is toward the future and "realistic" examination (as in 3-D or n-Dimensional spaces, including of time).
In fact such "TREE" can be closer to what Jesus told about "TREE OF LIFE". Something to reason about and that we published in sites of Kabbalah almost 10 years ago. But nobody could understand, as they reasoned toward thousand year back . It was like talking on Einsteinian's space-time for people slaved to Euclidian's space of Greek's geometry... No intellectual progress and no dialogue! Ein Sof, ten Sephirot as process of Creation. Mysticism - Esoterism.
In fact there is just ONE GOD (G_D) in the WHOLE Supreme Creation.
It is irrelevant if there are so many other Creations and Life abroad in other Planets and Galaxy and CLUSTER of Galaxy (quite like ULTRA-GALAXY separated by "nothing") and that the SUPREME UNIVERSE is "ENDLESS" for our MIND and that our "LOCAL UNIVERSE" (maybe 20 or 30 billions years-light diameter) is just like "nothing".
The SUPREME "TREE OF LIFE" may have a "BRANCH" in all of such HIS "CREATIONS" and all such "BRANCHs" are just "HIMSELF", just "ONE and SAME" the "ONE GOD", "HIMSELF" (maybe we should not use HE or SHE ?) acting. HOW? That was published and suggested 10 years ago. Considered quite a heresy. What about Ein Sof? Just a "RIVER" is flowing throug and INTO such SUPREME TREE OF LIFE and the SAME RIVER flows through ALL OF IT (HE?). It is like the RIVER of BLOOD through INTO YOU... The RIVER OF "YOUR LIFE".
What do you know about the "INTERNAL RIVER" that FLOWS through the TREE OF LIFE? You may know about OUTSIDE the TREE OF LIFE... That sprout out of the THRONE, in the TRHONE in the TEMPLE OF JERUSALEM, in the START OF THE RIVER OF LIFE, yes, in the RIVER OF TEMPLE WATERS. Lets come with us. Think about.
GENERAL MAP from TEMPLE (START OF RIVER) TO DEAD SEA
RIVER "TEMPLE" -- CLICK OVER URL TO SEE IMAGE. MAYBE YOU HAVE TO JOIN THE YAHOO GROUP AND CLICK OVER THE MESSAGE TO SEE THE IMAGE
http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/1819274/hr ... F+EDEN.jpg
MAIN RIVER GARDEN OF EDEN
DETAIL OF MAIN RIVER IN ITS START IN THE FUTURE TEMPLE
http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/1819274/sn ... F+EDEN.jpg
START of TEMPLE RIVER most important GARDEN OF EDEN
FIRST MAP SECTION AT THE EAST OF FUTURE TEMPLE
http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/1819274/sn ... F+EDEN.jpg
1st of TEMPLE RIVER most important GARDEN OF EDEN
SECOND MAP SECTION AT THE EAST OF FUTURE TEMPLE
http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/1819274/sn ... F+EDEN.jpg
2nd of TEMPLE RIVER most important GARDEN OF EDEN
THIRD MAP SECTION AT THE EAST OF FUTURE TEMPLE
http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/1819274/sn ... F+EDEN.jpg
3rd of TEMPLE RIVER most important GARDEN OF EDEN
FOURTH MAP SECTION AT THE EAST OF FUTURE TEMPLE
http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/1819274/sn ... F+EDEN.jpg
4th of TEMPLE RIVER most important GARDEN OF EDEN
FIVETH MAP SECTION AT THE EAST OF FUTURE TEMPLE
http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/1819274/sn ... F+EDEN.jpg
5th of TEMPLE RIVER most important GARDEN OF EDEN
SIXTH MAP SECTION AT THE EAST OF FUTURE TEMPLE
http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/1819274/hr ... F+EDEN.jpg
6th of TEMPLE RIVER most important GARDEN OF EDEN
http://br.groups.yahoo.com/group/mormons_brasil/message/1671
Final MAP of the LAND tittled as GARDEN OF EDEN showing in it the location of the "MAIN" INTERNAL RIVER, from the START (in the VERY FIRST TEMPLE, in ADAM's DAYS, and to be restored in the FUTURE TEMPLE, as foreseen by PROPHETS, in OLIVE MOUNTS in JERUSALEM TEMPLE, where WATER will sprout from FOUNTAINS, with main one under the THRONE, and ground waters will add up to generate such MAIN RIVER OF EDEN, flowing toward EAST, going to HEAL the "DEAD SEA", that will be plenty of FRESH WATER FISHES.
Thus we are to evaluate some aspects related to its TOPOGRAPHY and HYDRAULICS of the flow. Also some of the hydro-geology related on how the water sprouts in fountains, in ADAM's days and is restored in FUTURE TEMPLE days. We may guess that in some aspects one situation is quite like the MIRROR of the other.
Thus this bring some ideas to the mind that in ADAM's days they were living in a HUGE TEMPLE, that was OPEN type, without ROOF. And that now it will be ROOFED, but some features will survived, as the GARDEN OF EDEN being next to the TEMPLE, with a portion of the MAIN RIVER OF EDEN, in its HEAD, STARTING just at the FUTURE TEMPLE, in the Mounts of the Olives. Thus a nice symbolism, with TEMPLE will continue surrounded by
GARDEN OF EDEN, now not so ROOFLESS as in ADAM's days. It is possible that the TREE OF LIFE may have as symbolism the structure the walls of the TEMPLE (itself), as if a huge conifer tre (huge one, very high) now allowing people to "come to it", as if people entering (or passing throug and under some huge trees Sequoias in CaliforniaYosemite National Park, including passing with their car itself):
http://www.yosemite.ca.us/library/handbook_of_yosemite_national_park/sequoia.html
We are to PRESENT the MOST GENERAL MAP of the MOST IMPORTANT RIVER of the GARDEN OF EDEN LAND.
Thus such River, TEMPLE RIVER, is totally INTERNAL to such LAND, starting from the THRONE of the FUTURE TEMPLE (and from the PLACE where ADAM and EVE lived, suffered temptation and failed in their PROBATION).
There it was placed the "TREE OF LIFE" and we can reason (speculate) that such "TREE (of life)" (is just a symbolism) would require also the "LIVING WATERS" ("SAP"). Thus TREE requires living waters ("lives in no desert"), thus is linked to nearby GHION waters SPROUTING from ground, ground waters irrigating the GARDEN, making it "fertile land", and ADAM taking care of the irrigation system.
This is related from an OLD LITERATURE, we posted in web, about other type of KABALA we introduced about the symbolic meaning of existence and presence of TREE OF LIFE. It has little similarity with Jewish ideas (esoteric), as has none link with past tradition, because it is toward the future and "realistic" examination (as in 3-D or n-Dimensional spaces, including of time).
In fact such "TREE" can be closer to what Jesus told about "TREE OF LIFE". Something to reason about and that we published in sites of Kabbalah almost 10 years ago. But nobody could understand, as they reasoned toward thousand year back . It was like talking on Einsteinian's space-time for people slaved to Euclidian's space of Greek's geometry... No intellectual progress and no dialogue! Ein Sof, ten Sephirot as process of Creation. Mysticism - Esoterism.
In fact there is just ONE GOD (G_D) in the WHOLE Supreme Creation.
It is irrelevant if there are so many other Creations and Life abroad in other Planets and Galaxy and CLUSTER of Galaxy (quite like ULTRA-GALAXY separated by "nothing") and that the SUPREME UNIVERSE is "ENDLESS" for our MIND and that our "LOCAL UNIVERSE" (maybe 20 or 30 billions years-light diameter) is just like "nothing".
The SUPREME "TREE OF LIFE" may have a "BRANCH" in all of such HIS "CREATIONS" and all such "BRANCHs" are just "HIMSELF", just "ONE and SAME" the "ONE GOD", "HIMSELF" (maybe we should not use HE or SHE ?) acting. HOW? That was published and suggested 10 years ago. Considered quite a heresy. What about Ein Sof? Just a "RIVER" is flowing throug and INTO such SUPREME TREE OF LIFE and the SAME RIVER flows through ALL OF IT (HE?). It is like the RIVER of BLOOD through INTO YOU... The RIVER OF "YOUR LIFE".
What do you know about the "INTERNAL RIVER" that FLOWS through the TREE OF LIFE? You may know about OUTSIDE the TREE OF LIFE... That sprout out of the THRONE, in the TRHONE in the TEMPLE OF JERUSALEM, in the START OF THE RIVER OF LIFE, yes, in the RIVER OF TEMPLE WATERS. Lets come with us. Think about.
GENERAL MAP from TEMPLE (START OF RIVER) TO DEAD SEA
RIVER "TEMPLE" -- CLICK OVER URL TO SEE IMAGE. MAYBE YOU HAVE TO JOIN THE YAHOO GROUP AND CLICK OVER THE MESSAGE TO SEE THE IMAGE
http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/1819274/hr ... F+EDEN.jpg
MAIN RIVER GARDEN OF EDEN
DETAIL OF MAIN RIVER IN ITS START IN THE FUTURE TEMPLE
http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/1819274/sn ... F+EDEN.jpg
START of TEMPLE RIVER most important GARDEN OF EDEN
FIRST MAP SECTION AT THE EAST OF FUTURE TEMPLE
http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/1819274/sn ... F+EDEN.jpg
1st of TEMPLE RIVER most important GARDEN OF EDEN
SECOND MAP SECTION AT THE EAST OF FUTURE TEMPLE
http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/1819274/sn ... F+EDEN.jpg
2nd of TEMPLE RIVER most important GARDEN OF EDEN
THIRD MAP SECTION AT THE EAST OF FUTURE TEMPLE
http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/1819274/sn ... F+EDEN.jpg
3rd of TEMPLE RIVER most important GARDEN OF EDEN
FOURTH MAP SECTION AT THE EAST OF FUTURE TEMPLE
http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/1819274/sn ... F+EDEN.jpg
4th of TEMPLE RIVER most important GARDEN OF EDEN
FIVETH MAP SECTION AT THE EAST OF FUTURE TEMPLE
http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/1819274/sn ... F+EDEN.jpg
5th of TEMPLE RIVER most important GARDEN OF EDEN
SIXTH MAP SECTION AT THE EAST OF FUTURE TEMPLE
http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/1819274/hr ... F+EDEN.jpg
6th of TEMPLE RIVER most important GARDEN OF EDEN
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Re: FUTURE TEMPLE FOR JERUSALEM (NOT LDS - ?) SUGGESTED FOR JEWS
From a Jewish site, of ORTHODOX JUDAISM and for long I posts articles in it, not as Jew, but as LDS (something quite imposssible for LDS sites, this now this site is appearing to be an exception...) -
Where should it be located the NEW TEMPLE in Jerusalem?
Should it be made and run according to the OLD RULES and reasonings of the OLD TEMPLES?
Should it have ANIMAL SACRIFICES restored on it?
Could I provide my male cattle, uncircuncized and not castred bulls from Brazil, to be sacrificed into such new Jerusalem Temple? And thus earn some "extra" income? (As now with the deal with Lebanon/Islamism?). Trade is trade... We may "hire" some high priest to "bless" animals on pasture and on boarding to be blessed...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/allisrael/message/6985
5.5.4 FUTURE TEMPLE at JERUSALEM -
(TEMPLE with) ANIMAL SACRIFICES?
MAYBE one of many of (ours) bovines from (our) farms, in North of Brazil, is shown in below picture being boarded and sent by huge ships, to "good" LEBANON (Garden of Eden).
This article reproduces a Jewish site, of ORTHODOX JUDAISM... For long I posts articles in it (and many others), not as Jew religious, but as LDS (something quite impossible to do in LDS sites, this now this site is appearing to be an exception...). Some sites accept me as some type of Rabi or like a lamanite speaking over Nephites' high walls. Thus they "tolerate" my reasoning for long, as this one...
Where should it be located the NEW TEMPLE in Jerusalem?
Should Temple be made and run according to the OLD RULES and reasoning of the OLD TEMPLES and Prophets?
Should it have ANIMAL SACRIFICES restored on it?
Could I provide my male cattle, uncircumcised and not castrated bulls from Brazil, to be sacrificed into such new Jerusalem Temple? And thus earn some "extra" income? (As now with the deal with Lebanon/Islamism?). Trade is trade... We may "hire" some high priest to "bless" animals on pasture and on boarding to be blessed...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/allisrael/message/6985
5.5.4 FUTURE TEMPLE at JERUSALEM - (TEMPLE) ANIMAL SACRIFICES?
MAYBE one of many of my (ours) bovines from my (our) farms, in North of Brazil, is shown in below picture being boarded and sent by huge ships, to "good" LEBANON (Garden of Eden).
To be "SACRIFICED" there, in LEBANON, according some RELIGIOUS ISLAMIC ritual LIKE of TORAH sacrifice in Temple, BUT without the need of Temple. The "trip" is made in some 3 (three!) months in VERY CONFORTABLE ships that usually are used for HUMAN TURISM transportation, with air conditioning, SEWAGE TREATMENT, drinking water, comfortable "rooms"... In fact I (we) would like to STRETCH such DEAL and GOOD BUSINESS with the ULTRA ORTHODOX JEWS of ISRAEL for having some STOP at ISRAEL HARBOR and also deliver there such BOVINES, that are 100% GREEN GROWN, very ECOLOGICAL... grown on pasture only. Because of ISLAMIC concern (I am a FORMER MUSLIM...) animals are EXPORTED as very PERFECT ones (at least from our FARMS...), not CASTRATED or INJURED or even with damaged SKIN (leather or horns...). It would provide to be like provider of very good KOCHER meat/food, being slaughtered in ISRAEL and with religious ceremony being made toward JERUSALEM...
I first met with MUSLIM (ISLAMIC) people when living in BERKELEY (San Francisco Bay Area), USA, in 1978, when studying for MSc and PhD at the University of California. My wife became so greatest fried of IRANIAN people that I learned about how to sacrifice animals according the Islamic religious sacrifice. I guess that is enough. They don't go to old Torah sacrifice in Mecca town or anywhere. What is lacking is the need of an upgrade of the religion with new true God's prophets. Where is the revelation that God was tied to not more send new prophets or that Heaven gates are closed to avoid coming of new God's prophets? Maybe no new and true God's prophets came because people were firmly decided to not hear and not obey them. Thus they slaved themselves to the past: following the spiral of tradition.
I guess it was Einstein that told us how a "tradition" is created and past through the generations, in an endless way. That is the "problem" with the ultra-orthodoxies. No progress, even in finding another place for a Temple. When in past the "Temple" was portable, during Moses and Aaron's days. The problem of sitting a God's temple remained the same (it can be located in any place, where a true God's prophet receives REVELATION, from God, to SITE IT "THERE"... Moses received revelation to STOP and CAMP in a specific PLACE, whole ISRAEL, and SET UP there the PORTABLE TEMPLE... "MOSES, STOP WHERE YOU ARE! SET UP THE TABERNACLE FOR I SPEAK WITH YOU, FACE TO FACE, IN MY TEMPLE! Are you blind, ORTHODOX?), only Israel temple was upgraded... and then decayed with lack of true Prophets...
Maybe the "experience" for Israel (Judah) having TEMPLE has been PAINFUL and because of that, having a TEMPLE and having TRUE PROPHETS (something required, essential to have a true TEMPLE) has been quite like a TABOO, and has been a TARGET and at the same time has been something that has been POSTPONED quite like for an ENDLESS and UNDEFINED "FUTURE". See:
Five monkeys are caged together and there are some bananas hanging from the top of the cage. Some scientists attach an automated device for sensing if the bananas are moved; once a monkey tries to get any, an electric shock travels through the cage so that all monkeys get shocked. In the beginning, a single monkey climbs up to the bananas, touches them and every monkey gets shocked. So he doesn't try anymore, but the other four monkeys try the same thing and the result comes to be the same. Therefore, the monkeys learn something in common: that is, do not get the bananas! You'll get a painful electric shock! The scientists then replace one of the original monkeys with a new one. This new monkey sees the bananas and wants to get them right away, but the other four monkeys beat it when they see its actions. Since these original four monkeys think the new monkey will make them get shocked, they stop the new monkey from getting the bananas. This monkey tries a few times and the others beat it every time without it ever getting the bananas.
Of course, all five monkeys don't get shocked. The scientists then replace another of the original monkeys with a new one. This second new monkey sees the bananas and you bet it wants to get them immediately. But, sadly, the others beat it and the first new monkey beats the newest one even harder then the others (for the newest one is the rookie and has the lowest social status). Just like before, the newest monkey tries several times to get the bananas and is stopped by the others when they attack him. The scientists continue to replace all the original monkeys until no monkeys who actually felt the electric shock remain. Now none of the five new monkeys dare to touch the bananas yet none of them know why. They only know whomever wants to get the bananas will be beaten.
Traditions Will Be Worthless If You Don't Do Self-Examinations
http://www.damazen.com/blog/2007/10/22/traditions-will-be-worthless-if-you-don%E2%80%99t-do-self-examinations/
THIS IS QUITE LIKE THE JEWISH REASONING (IDEALISM) through CLASSIC JUDAISM RELIGION through known HISTORY... THEY HAVE "FEAR" ABOUT WHAT "COULD TAKE PLACE". WHAT KIND OF PUNISHEMENTS WOULD FOLLOW "ON JEWS and ON ISRAEL"? WHAT DISGRACES ARE AHEAD?
EXPORTING ALIVE YOUNG BULLS TO LEBANON: click on next URL and see the cattle being exported to LEBANON for RELIGIOUS ISLAMIC SACRIFICE in LEBANON, according Islamic rules, for people consumption, quite like of "sacred, blessed" meat (quite like Cosher)
http://veja.abril.com.br/210410/carne-viva-p-110.shtml (EXPORTED AS ALIVE BULLS to LEBANON ours "ecologically green sound" cattle, from Brazil...).
This is the greatest Brazilian Magazine, Veja, that was headed by the Director, my cousin, who put me, 1999 in contact with the Jews of Washington-USA. The result was a very extense and intense cooperation works, impossible to be made with BYU-FAIR-FARMS,...
Our cattle being boarded from Brazil to Lebanon: religious shadowed.
Where should it be located the NEW TEMPLE in Jerusalem?
Should it be made and run according to the OLD RULES and reasonings of the OLD TEMPLES?
Should it have ANIMAL SACRIFICES restored on it?
Could I provide my male cattle, uncircuncized and not castred bulls from Brazil, to be sacrificed into such new Jerusalem Temple? And thus earn some "extra" income? (As now with the deal with Lebanon/Islamism?). Trade is trade... We may "hire" some high priest to "bless" animals on pasture and on boarding to be blessed...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/allisrael/message/6985
5.5.4 FUTURE TEMPLE at JERUSALEM -
(TEMPLE with) ANIMAL SACRIFICES?
MAYBE one of many of (ours) bovines from (our) farms, in North of Brazil, is shown in below picture being boarded and sent by huge ships, to "good" LEBANON (Garden of Eden).
This article reproduces a Jewish site, of ORTHODOX JUDAISM... For long I posts articles in it (and many others), not as Jew religious, but as LDS (something quite impossible to do in LDS sites, this now this site is appearing to be an exception...). Some sites accept me as some type of Rabi or like a lamanite speaking over Nephites' high walls. Thus they "tolerate" my reasoning for long, as this one...
Where should it be located the NEW TEMPLE in Jerusalem?
Should Temple be made and run according to the OLD RULES and reasoning of the OLD TEMPLES and Prophets?
Should it have ANIMAL SACRIFICES restored on it?
Could I provide my male cattle, uncircumcised and not castrated bulls from Brazil, to be sacrificed into such new Jerusalem Temple? And thus earn some "extra" income? (As now with the deal with Lebanon/Islamism?). Trade is trade... We may "hire" some high priest to "bless" animals on pasture and on boarding to be blessed...
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/allisrael/message/6985
5.5.4 FUTURE TEMPLE at JERUSALEM - (TEMPLE) ANIMAL SACRIFICES?
MAYBE one of many of my (ours) bovines from my (our) farms, in North of Brazil, is shown in below picture being boarded and sent by huge ships, to "good" LEBANON (Garden of Eden).
To be "SACRIFICED" there, in LEBANON, according some RELIGIOUS ISLAMIC ritual LIKE of TORAH sacrifice in Temple, BUT without the need of Temple. The "trip" is made in some 3 (three!) months in VERY CONFORTABLE ships that usually are used for HUMAN TURISM transportation, with air conditioning, SEWAGE TREATMENT, drinking water, comfortable "rooms"... In fact I (we) would like to STRETCH such DEAL and GOOD BUSINESS with the ULTRA ORTHODOX JEWS of ISRAEL for having some STOP at ISRAEL HARBOR and also deliver there such BOVINES, that are 100% GREEN GROWN, very ECOLOGICAL... grown on pasture only. Because of ISLAMIC concern (I am a FORMER MUSLIM...) animals are EXPORTED as very PERFECT ones (at least from our FARMS...), not CASTRATED or INJURED or even with damaged SKIN (leather or horns...). It would provide to be like provider of very good KOCHER meat/food, being slaughtered in ISRAEL and with religious ceremony being made toward JERUSALEM...
I first met with MUSLIM (ISLAMIC) people when living in BERKELEY (San Francisco Bay Area), USA, in 1978, when studying for MSc and PhD at the University of California. My wife became so greatest fried of IRANIAN people that I learned about how to sacrifice animals according the Islamic religious sacrifice. I guess that is enough. They don't go to old Torah sacrifice in Mecca town or anywhere. What is lacking is the need of an upgrade of the religion with new true God's prophets. Where is the revelation that God was tied to not more send new prophets or that Heaven gates are closed to avoid coming of new God's prophets? Maybe no new and true God's prophets came because people were firmly decided to not hear and not obey them. Thus they slaved themselves to the past: following the spiral of tradition.
I guess it was Einstein that told us how a "tradition" is created and past through the generations, in an endless way. That is the "problem" with the ultra-orthodoxies. No progress, even in finding another place for a Temple. When in past the "Temple" was portable, during Moses and Aaron's days. The problem of sitting a God's temple remained the same (it can be located in any place, where a true God's prophet receives REVELATION, from God, to SITE IT "THERE"... Moses received revelation to STOP and CAMP in a specific PLACE, whole ISRAEL, and SET UP there the PORTABLE TEMPLE... "MOSES, STOP WHERE YOU ARE! SET UP THE TABERNACLE FOR I SPEAK WITH YOU, FACE TO FACE, IN MY TEMPLE! Are you blind, ORTHODOX?), only Israel temple was upgraded... and then decayed with lack of true Prophets...
Maybe the "experience" for Israel (Judah) having TEMPLE has been PAINFUL and because of that, having a TEMPLE and having TRUE PROPHETS (something required, essential to have a true TEMPLE) has been quite like a TABOO, and has been a TARGET and at the same time has been something that has been POSTPONED quite like for an ENDLESS and UNDEFINED "FUTURE". See:
Five monkeys are caged together and there are some bananas hanging from the top of the cage. Some scientists attach an automated device for sensing if the bananas are moved; once a monkey tries to get any, an electric shock travels through the cage so that all monkeys get shocked. In the beginning, a single monkey climbs up to the bananas, touches them and every monkey gets shocked. So he doesn't try anymore, but the other four monkeys try the same thing and the result comes to be the same. Therefore, the monkeys learn something in common: that is, do not get the bananas! You'll get a painful electric shock! The scientists then replace one of the original monkeys with a new one. This new monkey sees the bananas and wants to get them right away, but the other four monkeys beat it when they see its actions. Since these original four monkeys think the new monkey will make them get shocked, they stop the new monkey from getting the bananas. This monkey tries a few times and the others beat it every time without it ever getting the bananas.
Of course, all five monkeys don't get shocked. The scientists then replace another of the original monkeys with a new one. This second new monkey sees the bananas and you bet it wants to get them immediately. But, sadly, the others beat it and the first new monkey beats the newest one even harder then the others (for the newest one is the rookie and has the lowest social status). Just like before, the newest monkey tries several times to get the bananas and is stopped by the others when they attack him. The scientists continue to replace all the original monkeys until no monkeys who actually felt the electric shock remain. Now none of the five new monkeys dare to touch the bananas yet none of them know why. They only know whomever wants to get the bananas will be beaten.
Traditions Will Be Worthless If You Don't Do Self-Examinations
http://www.damazen.com/blog/2007/10/22/traditions-will-be-worthless-if-you-don%E2%80%99t-do-self-examinations/
THIS IS QUITE LIKE THE JEWISH REASONING (IDEALISM) through CLASSIC JUDAISM RELIGION through known HISTORY... THEY HAVE "FEAR" ABOUT WHAT "COULD TAKE PLACE". WHAT KIND OF PUNISHEMENTS WOULD FOLLOW "ON JEWS and ON ISRAEL"? WHAT DISGRACES ARE AHEAD?
EXPORTING ALIVE YOUNG BULLS TO LEBANON: click on next URL and see the cattle being exported to LEBANON for RELIGIOUS ISLAMIC SACRIFICE in LEBANON, according Islamic rules, for people consumption, quite like of "sacred, blessed" meat (quite like Cosher)
http://veja.abril.com.br/210410/carne-viva-p-110.shtml (EXPORTED AS ALIVE BULLS to LEBANON ours "ecologically green sound" cattle, from Brazil...).
This is the greatest Brazilian Magazine, Veja, that was headed by the Director, my cousin, who put me, 1999 in contact with the Jews of Washington-USA. The result was a very extense and intense cooperation works, impossible to be made with BYU-FAIR-FARMS,...
Our cattle being boarded from Brazil to Lebanon: religious shadowed.
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Re: FUTURE TEMPLE FOR JERUSALEM (NOT LDS - ?) SUGGESTED FOR JEWS
GENERAL VIEW OF FUTURE TEMPLEs AREA IN JERUSALEM AND THE HEALING WATERS THAT WILL SPROUT IN FUTURE TEMPLE AND WILL RUN (FLOW) TOWARD THE "DEAD SEA" TO HEAL IT, TO PROVIDE PLENTY "SEA LIFE", PLENTY SEA FISH (SEA = FRESH WATER FISH). THUS SEA being like SEA in Book of Mormon, not SEA of S.L.CITY.
If you desire an enlarged view, click on next URL:
http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/06e85514da94c547e6befe70ef1e2ce232f576381b619a4cca99bb1fd1e191e86g.jpg
You can see on the left border of the image is the Islamic sancturary (very important Mosque) and below it is what is left of the previous Israelitic Temples in Mount Moriah (the second being "cleansed" by Jesus acting not as God, but only as a God's servant, as a PROPHET). You can see the complex of Temples, as suggested is in the other side of a CREEK (small and almost allways dry river) and from there starst the true plantation of Olives, that Jesus and his apostles STAYED there and suffered there. Jesus promised, through the Angel, he was to returned THERE, not in any other temple in Jerusalem (even in some falsified BYU temple in Jerusalem or in some Bloodiest Pyramide in Mexico or Guatemala: Nephitic?). I guess it is told Jesus was to return in Garden of Olives, not inside the old walls of Jerusalem, but outside... This explain why christians religions bought that lands... just as precaution and made sancturaries... But usually water sprouts at the basement of hills, not on top of them. Thus at the deep of valley, where we had geologic movements and "week points" for water sprout out... Humm. It appears some prophets told about Temple with water sprouting in them. Thus being not on top, but ... The drawing, made to more humble Israelites, the Jews, reflects such reasoning, as to make to LDS and BYU is in vain, as if a lamanite saying some to nephites besides wooden walls. Wastage of speech.
You can see the proposed Main Temple. Other, quite provisory, could be made nearby. Who knows? Whater is to come fromTurkey but that are so many other sites... A natural event? Known from very old days? Is it natural?
The detail of the suggested construction of the MAIN TEMPLE, in JERUSALEM, e possibly TEMPORARY (PROVISORY, PRELIMINARY) nearby TEMPLES around it, AND OTHER FACILITIES, AS HOUSES FOR PRIESTS (AND THEIR FAMILITES), ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDINGS AND OTHER FINGS, are here very grossly provided in this drawing. For sure more details are for the Jews understand that it is not necessary to get into a great war. There are plenty space available.
IF you desire some more details you can click on next URL and see:
http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/6ce36795c4e29d8e2c2eee3a66c0fb835752958752accb7b4df399470485268a6g.jpg
And now, very enlarged, you can see that at the left margin you see the Islamic (Muslim) so important Mosque
and below it the TEMPLE MOUNT. And in the other side of the deep valley e passing the main road "477", it is suggested the started of the "Land for the TEMPLE EZEKIEL" that will be mostly EXCAVATED into the MARBLE ROCK. Thus it will be the MARBLE TEMPLE, beautiful one, WITH steep sloped rocked walls, going to the Olive Trees. Even going to be into a "hole, a depression" it appears the Temple will be seen in so great distance around Middle East, as it will have so good foundations for such. Quite like a Botanical Garden, along the River of Garden of Eden, inside it, will demonstrate how it was and the benefitial usues of the plants. The warm water, in growing flow and depth, along the length, will leave through the east direction, for benefitial usues. There is a connection between this and the other Garden of Eden, in Adam ondi Ahman, but LDS and BYU would never believe in such silly things. Jews of Washington didn't oppose: in 1999 when they heard about the explanation.
If you desire an enlarged view, click on next URL:
http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/06e85514da94c547e6befe70ef1e2ce232f576381b619a4cca99bb1fd1e191e86g.jpg
You can see on the left border of the image is the Islamic sancturary (very important Mosque) and below it is what is left of the previous Israelitic Temples in Mount Moriah (the second being "cleansed" by Jesus acting not as God, but only as a God's servant, as a PROPHET). You can see the complex of Temples, as suggested is in the other side of a CREEK (small and almost allways dry river) and from there starst the true plantation of Olives, that Jesus and his apostles STAYED there and suffered there. Jesus promised, through the Angel, he was to returned THERE, not in any other temple in Jerusalem (even in some falsified BYU temple in Jerusalem or in some Bloodiest Pyramide in Mexico or Guatemala: Nephitic?). I guess it is told Jesus was to return in Garden of Olives, not inside the old walls of Jerusalem, but outside... This explain why christians religions bought that lands... just as precaution and made sancturaries... But usually water sprouts at the basement of hills, not on top of them. Thus at the deep of valley, where we had geologic movements and "week points" for water sprout out... Humm. It appears some prophets told about Temple with water sprouting in them. Thus being not on top, but ... The drawing, made to more humble Israelites, the Jews, reflects such reasoning, as to make to LDS and BYU is in vain, as if a lamanite saying some to nephites besides wooden walls. Wastage of speech.
You can see the proposed Main Temple. Other, quite provisory, could be made nearby. Who knows? Whater is to come fromTurkey but that are so many other sites... A natural event? Known from very old days? Is it natural?
The detail of the suggested construction of the MAIN TEMPLE, in JERUSALEM, e possibly TEMPORARY (PROVISORY, PRELIMINARY) nearby TEMPLES around it, AND OTHER FACILITIES, AS HOUSES FOR PRIESTS (AND THEIR FAMILITES), ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDINGS AND OTHER FINGS, are here very grossly provided in this drawing. For sure more details are for the Jews understand that it is not necessary to get into a great war. There are plenty space available.
IF you desire some more details you can click on next URL and see:
http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/6ce36795c4e29d8e2c2eee3a66c0fb835752958752accb7b4df399470485268a6g.jpg
And now, very enlarged, you can see that at the left margin you see the Islamic (Muslim) so important Mosque
and below it the TEMPLE MOUNT. And in the other side of the deep valley e passing the main road "477", it is suggested the started of the "Land for the TEMPLE EZEKIEL" that will be mostly EXCAVATED into the MARBLE ROCK. Thus it will be the MARBLE TEMPLE, beautiful one, WITH steep sloped rocked walls, going to the Olive Trees. Even going to be into a "hole, a depression" it appears the Temple will be seen in so great distance around Middle East, as it will have so good foundations for such. Quite like a Botanical Garden, along the River of Garden of Eden, inside it, will demonstrate how it was and the benefitial usues of the plants. The warm water, in growing flow and depth, along the length, will leave through the east direction, for benefitial usues. There is a connection between this and the other Garden of Eden, in Adam ondi Ahman, but LDS and BYU would never believe in such silly things. Jews of Washington didn't oppose: in 1999 when they heard about the explanation.
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Re: FUTURE TEMPLE FOR JERUSALEM (NOT LDS - ?) SUGGESTED FOR JEWS
We are here in the possibly NEXT and FUTURE
and site for the THIRD TEMPLE of ISRAEL, the
NEXT TEMPLE FOR JERUSALEM and the site for the
GREATEST EZEKIEL's TEMPLE, with WATER SPROUTING
AND GOING TO "EAST" TO GOING TO THE "DEAD SEA"
TO HEAL SUCH "SUCH DEAD AND SALTY WATERS" (LIKE SLCITY)
FOR THEM BECOME "FRESH WATER" INHABITED WITH PLENTY
FISH OF FRESH WATERS AND PROBABLY LIKE FLOATING
VEGETATION, LIKE USEFUL HYDROPONICS (LIKE WATER HYACYNTS,
MAKE LETUCES?) THUS TURNING DESERT INTO LIKE PARADISE...
Previous is alike the GENERATION of BLESSED water (as it is sprouted into the MOST SACRED PLACE, next to the THRONE, and then along the Temple land limits, as if turning into a mighty river of tepid waters, of great enough flow to hydropower a turbine (Pelton type?) at the boundaries of DEAD SEA. In so huge water level difference for hydropower generation. Some of the flow will be diverted (without generating electricity/mechanical power) for the direct water supply of Jericho, where Jesus lived in as a married man and father. Has other symbolism for Israel. Some have eyes and can't see. Blind people? Some are like nephites and refused to hear the lamanite. They saw only a humble carpenter.
After departing the Land around the Ezekiel's site for Temple(s), going toward EAST direction, this is the first section of Map, going toward the DEAD SEA. As you can see the topography of the land is yet quite flat land, starting to bend toward Dead Sea.
After departing the Land around the Ezekiel's site for Temple(s), going toward EAST direction, this is the second section of Map, going toward the DEAD SEA. As you can see the topography of the land is yet quite broken land, starting to becoming strongly inclined toward Dead Sea
After departing the Land around the Ezekiel's site for Temple(s), going toward EAST direction, this is the third section of Map, going toward the DEAD SEA. As you can see the topography of the land is very broken land, strongly very inclined toward Dead Sea, as if crossing a Mountain Range slope.
After departing the Land around the Ezekiel's site for Temple(s), going toward EAST direction, this is the fourth section of Map, going toward the DEAD SEA. As you can see the topography of the land is quite broken land, quite inclined toward Dead Sea, as if the steps of the Mountain Range slope.
After departing the Land around the Ezekiel's site for Temple(s), going toward EAST direction, this is the fifth section of Map, going toward the DEAD SEA. As you can see the topography of the land is almost flat land, little inclined toward Dead Sea (at the right, blue color).
See it very much enlarged clicking on the next URL:
http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/219f8f01d50c60f26e987d3a7b71a366f3f8ebf0cfc3a85c37678dd011636e316g.jpg
You can see the BORDER of GARDEN OF EDEN, that is at the left and also GARDEN OF EDEN continues in AmeriKa, from South EXTREMITY to the North Extremity, having as main place, ADAM ondi Ahman (a word in SABELLICUS...): a concept that the Jews of Washington understand as provided in 1999, thus didn't discuss or worry about. Something impossible between nephites and lamanites. In fact AlasKa and USA and Hawaii have no common border and even so are just "one land"... How could?
Details on how the Dead Sea could become "green" as if a plantation and a huge great creation of fresh water fishes were provided to Jews, just as speculation and to think about. For sure without ending the great deposit of saline water, great "ore" of minerals or mixing it with fresh water... other very valuable resource... A progressive solution. What is Adam ondi Ahman? Into original Garden of Eden? It ended... (decayed). How can I be expelled out of one place if I remain living there? Only Jew wisdom could answer... Or then the movies or theatre scenes shown in temples are a "fake": of Adam and Eve being shown mortal beings walking through the Telestial world "outside" Garden of Eden and then back, as mortal, into a Garden of Eden? WHERE is such Garden of Eden for “mortal aged” Adam and Eve? Some explanations were provided to the Jews for them understand something that are not clear.
and site for the THIRD TEMPLE of ISRAEL, the
NEXT TEMPLE FOR JERUSALEM and the site for the
GREATEST EZEKIEL's TEMPLE, with WATER SPROUTING
AND GOING TO "EAST" TO GOING TO THE "DEAD SEA"
TO HEAL SUCH "SUCH DEAD AND SALTY WATERS" (LIKE SLCITY)
FOR THEM BECOME "FRESH WATER" INHABITED WITH PLENTY
FISH OF FRESH WATERS AND PROBABLY LIKE FLOATING
VEGETATION, LIKE USEFUL HYDROPONICS (LIKE WATER HYACYNTS,
MAKE LETUCES?) THUS TURNING DESERT INTO LIKE PARADISE...
Previous is alike the GENERATION of BLESSED water (as it is sprouted into the MOST SACRED PLACE, next to the THRONE, and then along the Temple land limits, as if turning into a mighty river of tepid waters, of great enough flow to hydropower a turbine (Pelton type?) at the boundaries of DEAD SEA. In so huge water level difference for hydropower generation. Some of the flow will be diverted (without generating electricity/mechanical power) for the direct water supply of Jericho, where Jesus lived in as a married man and father. Has other symbolism for Israel. Some have eyes and can't see. Blind people? Some are like nephites and refused to hear the lamanite. They saw only a humble carpenter.
After departing the Land around the Ezekiel's site for Temple(s), going toward EAST direction, this is the first section of Map, going toward the DEAD SEA. As you can see the topography of the land is yet quite flat land, starting to bend toward Dead Sea.
After departing the Land around the Ezekiel's site for Temple(s), going toward EAST direction, this is the second section of Map, going toward the DEAD SEA. As you can see the topography of the land is yet quite broken land, starting to becoming strongly inclined toward Dead Sea
After departing the Land around the Ezekiel's site for Temple(s), going toward EAST direction, this is the third section of Map, going toward the DEAD SEA. As you can see the topography of the land is very broken land, strongly very inclined toward Dead Sea, as if crossing a Mountain Range slope.
After departing the Land around the Ezekiel's site for Temple(s), going toward EAST direction, this is the fourth section of Map, going toward the DEAD SEA. As you can see the topography of the land is quite broken land, quite inclined toward Dead Sea, as if the steps of the Mountain Range slope.
After departing the Land around the Ezekiel's site for Temple(s), going toward EAST direction, this is the fifth section of Map, going toward the DEAD SEA. As you can see the topography of the land is almost flat land, little inclined toward Dead Sea (at the right, blue color).
See it very much enlarged clicking on the next URL:
http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/219f8f01d50c60f26e987d3a7b71a366f3f8ebf0cfc3a85c37678dd011636e316g.jpg
You can see the BORDER of GARDEN OF EDEN, that is at the left and also GARDEN OF EDEN continues in AmeriKa, from South EXTREMITY to the North Extremity, having as main place, ADAM ondi Ahman (a word in SABELLICUS...): a concept that the Jews of Washington understand as provided in 1999, thus didn't discuss or worry about. Something impossible between nephites and lamanites. In fact AlasKa and USA and Hawaii have no common border and even so are just "one land"... How could?
Details on how the Dead Sea could become "green" as if a plantation and a huge great creation of fresh water fishes were provided to Jews, just as speculation and to think about. For sure without ending the great deposit of saline water, great "ore" of minerals or mixing it with fresh water... other very valuable resource... A progressive solution. What is Adam ondi Ahman? Into original Garden of Eden? It ended... (decayed). How can I be expelled out of one place if I remain living there? Only Jew wisdom could answer... Or then the movies or theatre scenes shown in temples are a "fake": of Adam and Eve being shown mortal beings walking through the Telestial world "outside" Garden of Eden and then back, as mortal, into a Garden of Eden? WHERE is such Garden of Eden for “mortal aged” Adam and Eve? Some explanations were provided to the Jews for them understand something that are not clear.
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Re: FUTURE TEMPLE FOR JERUSALEM (NOT LDS - ?) SUGGESTED FOR JEWS
We should not be EXTREMIST people.
Mainly when we reason about something that is not conventional.
As when we deal with the idea that in fact that there is an EDEN land.
And that EDEN land is one thing.
Very distinct from the "GARDEN OF" EDEN . GARDEN qualifies one LAND that is very distinct of the other land named "EDEN". It is a SPECIAL part of the general and broaden and huge land. It is like a "farm", named "EDEN". Thus it is as if you have a huge land named "EDEN" and a very small and precious part of it, is prepared in a special way, to be a "GARDEN". Maybe you have two or more "GARDENs" from an "EDEN". Quite like in your "urban lot" you buit your home and a very small part of it, generally in front of it, you creat a "GARDEN". Maybe in other part, as in the backyard, you creat, another "GARDEN", of your EDEN rest.
It appears to the Ezekiel's foretold disclosed Temple we are to have something like a restored "GARDEN", a very precious GARDEN, like restored GARDEN of EDEN and the RIVER, like one RIVER of EDEN passing through it.
Mainly when we reason about something that is not conventional.
As when we deal with the idea that in fact that there is an EDEN land.
And that EDEN land is one thing.
Very distinct from the "GARDEN OF" EDEN . GARDEN qualifies one LAND that is very distinct of the other land named "EDEN". It is a SPECIAL part of the general and broaden and huge land. It is like a "farm", named "EDEN". Thus it is as if you have a huge land named "EDEN" and a very small and precious part of it, is prepared in a special way, to be a "GARDEN". Maybe you have two or more "GARDENs" from an "EDEN". Quite like in your "urban lot" you buit your home and a very small part of it, generally in front of it, you creat a "GARDEN". Maybe in other part, as in the backyard, you creat, another "GARDEN", of your EDEN rest.
It appears to the Ezekiel's foretold disclosed Temple we are to have something like a restored "GARDEN", a very precious GARDEN, like restored GARDEN of EDEN and the RIVER, like one RIVER of EDEN passing through it.
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Re: FUTURE TEMPLE FOR JERUSALEM (NOT LDS - ?) SUGGESTED FOR JEWS
We may have a link between the First and Secont Temple location and the Third Temple(s) location (EZEKIEL's Temple location), using LDS map for viewing the relative positioning.
http://LDS.org/scriptures/bible-maps/map-12?lang=eng
Click over the URL to see the location of the SECOND TEMPLE over the Mount Moriah. The Temple that Jesus provided the cleansing from the sellers of undue things, making it become a "market place", and also a place to exchange money.
You may click on next URL and open the map as PDF file and thus you can control the SCALE of the map:
http://LDS.org/scriptures/bc/scriptures/content/english/bible-maps/images/03990_000_bible-map-12.pdf
Instead of 54.6%, exchange by 100%, press "ENTER" and then moves vertically along the right side.
First you can SEE that the MOUNT(s) of OLIVES are at the very right position, being at the right of the Kidron Valley and right to the road to Bethany and Jericoh. Also Mount(s0 of Olives is also at the right of the Garden of Gethsemane.
But the position of the possible to be THIRD TEMPLE is vertically down, yet along the MOUNT(s) of the Olives, at the transition to the 2nd one, up to the "WATER GATE" ("13"), crossing the creek (little river) KIDRON VALLEY. In the other side of the Valley, in your right, more or less, is what is supposed to be, the start of Ezekiel's Land of the Temple, going East, toward the Dead Sea, with the Main River of Garden of Eden sprouting somewhere East. Better maps available in Jewish sites. As LDS were not able to provide good maps or any reasonable maps for true Nephitic living in USA and Canada lands. Did Muhamad (for Arabs) disclosed/talked about "GARDEN of" Eden? Why?
http://LDS.org/scriptures/bible-maps/map-12?lang=eng
Click over the URL to see the location of the SECOND TEMPLE over the Mount Moriah. The Temple that Jesus provided the cleansing from the sellers of undue things, making it become a "market place", and also a place to exchange money.
You may click on next URL and open the map as PDF file and thus you can control the SCALE of the map:
http://LDS.org/scriptures/bc/scriptures/content/english/bible-maps/images/03990_000_bible-map-12.pdf
Instead of 54.6%, exchange by 100%, press "ENTER" and then moves vertically along the right side.
First you can SEE that the MOUNT(s) of OLIVES are at the very right position, being at the right of the Kidron Valley and right to the road to Bethany and Jericoh. Also Mount(s0 of Olives is also at the right of the Garden of Gethsemane.
But the position of the possible to be THIRD TEMPLE is vertically down, yet along the MOUNT(s) of the Olives, at the transition to the 2nd one, up to the "WATER GATE" ("13"), crossing the creek (little river) KIDRON VALLEY. In the other side of the Valley, in your right, more or less, is what is supposed to be, the start of Ezekiel's Land of the Temple, going East, toward the Dead Sea, with the Main River of Garden of Eden sprouting somewhere East. Better maps available in Jewish sites. As LDS were not able to provide good maps or any reasonable maps for true Nephitic living in USA and Canada lands. Did Muhamad (for Arabs) disclosed/talked about "GARDEN of" Eden? Why?
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Re: FUTURE TEMPLE FOR JERUSALEM (NOT LDS - ?) SUGGESTED FOR JEWS
The relationship for the MAIN "Garden of Eden" in Israel (Jesus was born in Jerusalem... the symbolism of ISRAEL, ARIEL) and the other Garden of Eden, for Adam ondi Ahman, was provided to the Orthodox Jews of USA, of Washington, in 1999. For sure their Rabbi didn't demand a miracle or just stay grumbling against that FIGURE... And much more. Coming from a lamanite, knocking at their thick walls.
For sure those were not in the Old Testament. They were so many things as those LDS could not support. I had been "fired"... But something we have to wait, as when we plant a tree. We have to reason. They tried for years. Tested. That was prepared co for them reason about. It was just a MAP FROM ONE HOUR and quite like having a challenge coupled to it. Could be science be used to review/enlarge/upgrade religion? Provide new understanding? What is "time"/Kolob? Religion is not to "handle" science to justify itself, as it was with use of science to "Justify" a Geography for Book of Mormon in Mexico and Meso-America. Science was not "free" but "guided" to an interest: biased.
For sure those were not in the Old Testament. They were so many things as those LDS could not support. I had been "fired"... But something we have to wait, as when we plant a tree. We have to reason. They tried for years. Tested. That was prepared co for them reason about. It was just a MAP FROM ONE HOUR and quite like having a challenge coupled to it. Could be science be used to review/enlarge/upgrade religion? Provide new understanding? What is "time"/Kolob? Religion is not to "handle" science to justify itself, as it was with use of science to "Justify" a Geography for Book of Mormon in Mexico and Meso-America. Science was not "free" but "guided" to an interest: biased.
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Re: FUTURE TEMPLE FOR JERUSALEM (NOT LDS - ?) SUGGESTED FOR JEWS
Almost to the end of 1.999 I was preparing some teaching University classes materials for next days, in my home (in the visiting rooms, they are twin ones, interconnected, with a huge wood thick table). I was correcting also some tests and design projects from my students. It was quite late and my family was already on beds, sleeping...
Suddenly I "heard" a clear voice asking me to stop with that and to prepare for something, for a scientific research. I got curious and worried as nobody was in the rooms or in the house, to make such request. I feared it would be some "ghost". Thus I paid attention. The request came again and in very clear strong sound and in my language. I decided to pray due the fear. While I prayed I noticed as If the "peace" came over me. And then it fell over me. And then it was "on me": I had no more fear in relation to the voice or in relation to what was to come or what was to be requested.
It was requested to use none computer or any book, as from my library. It was to provide a free space on my large table to make a hand drawing. It was to take a white paper (21 x 30 cm) and drawing material (as black pencils and color pencils, ink pencils/pen, etc.). It was to draw the Garden of Eden and Eden from "nothing, from my mind". I made my protest that such should be demanded from the Wisers of Zion, from BYU-LDS. But that was in vain, that I would be inspired to do the desired task. And that I had just ONE HOUR for the task: just one hour! Be fast!
The inspiration is toward doing something like this following view: quite intriguing. As see something from outer space. Stopped over a fixed spot over a place over ground. No satellite movement. The drawing, the ONE HOUR MAP, was supplied to the JEWISH RELIGION, of Rabbies of Washington, yet in the end of 1999. It became very clear it was not for the benefit of the LDS or for use of the LDS or for even to go to LDS Temple. It was for use and research by Jewish people, even if very Orthodox one. No problem if they could not understand about Adam Ondi Ahman.
If you want to have an enlarged view, please click on the following URL
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Think that several procedures and care were take before the original ONE HOUR MAP was handled to the hands of the Jews (itwas not to LDS hands, as if to the BYU, FARMS, etc) and some of it was published (mad public) about in the best local and most expensive newspaper during 3 days. Just for recording purposes: history. I am not prophet of the LDS people. Just a lamanite and Latino: double despised peoples.
Suddenly I "heard" a clear voice asking me to stop with that and to prepare for something, for a scientific research. I got curious and worried as nobody was in the rooms or in the house, to make such request. I feared it would be some "ghost". Thus I paid attention. The request came again and in very clear strong sound and in my language. I decided to pray due the fear. While I prayed I noticed as If the "peace" came over me. And then it fell over me. And then it was "on me": I had no more fear in relation to the voice or in relation to what was to come or what was to be requested.
It was requested to use none computer or any book, as from my library. It was to provide a free space on my large table to make a hand drawing. It was to take a white paper (21 x 30 cm) and drawing material (as black pencils and color pencils, ink pencils/pen, etc.). It was to draw the Garden of Eden and Eden from "nothing, from my mind". I made my protest that such should be demanded from the Wisers of Zion, from BYU-LDS. But that was in vain, that I would be inspired to do the desired task. And that I had just ONE HOUR for the task: just one hour! Be fast!
The inspiration is toward doing something like this following view: quite intriguing. As see something from outer space. Stopped over a fixed spot over a place over ground. No satellite movement. The drawing, the ONE HOUR MAP, was supplied to the JEWISH RELIGION, of Rabbies of Washington, yet in the end of 1999. It became very clear it was not for the benefit of the LDS or for use of the LDS or for even to go to LDS Temple. It was for use and research by Jewish people, even if very Orthodox one. No problem if they could not understand about Adam Ondi Ahman.
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Think that several procedures and care were take before the original ONE HOUR MAP was handled to the hands of the Jews (itwas not to LDS hands, as if to the BYU, FARMS, etc) and some of it was published (mad public) about in the best local and most expensive newspaper during 3 days. Just for recording purposes: history. I am not prophet of the LDS people. Just a lamanite and Latino: double despised peoples.