Franktalk wrote:You have it right and it does make sense. But not to you. Instead of diving in and trying to find a new idea you instead circled the wagons to protect what you know to be true. I on the other hand know very little and am always looking for new ideas.
This has to be the most nonsensical thing I've ever read. These chickens are fish in a barrel And the tall one is gonna be for sale The Long Winters - Blue Diamonds
2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. 2 Tim 4:4 They will turn their ears away from the truth & turn aside to myths
Morley wrote:Do I have this right, Frank: You purposefully posted a bad argument in the hope that I'd go looking for a better argument that would make your point for you?
Does this even make sense?
You have it right and it does make sense. But not to you. Instead of diving in and trying to find a new idea you instead circled the wagons to protect what you know to be true. I on the other hand know very little and am always looking for new ideas.
Franktalk's comments did not make sense when Morley asked the first time and this latest response does even more violence to logic and reason.
One is left to wonder if Franktalk actually reads the stuff he writes before he clicks the submit button. If he does, then we can be thankful that he is not in a position where his brand of argument and "logic" can do harm to others.
David Hume: "---Mistakes in philosophy are merely ridiculous, those in religion are dangerous."
DrW: "Mistakes in science are learning opportunities and are eventually corrected."
Morley wrote:Do I have this right, Frank: You purposefully posted a bad argument in the hope that I'd go looking for a better argument that would make your point for you?
Does this even make sense?
You have it right and it does make sense. But not to you. Instead of diving in and trying to find a new idea you instead circled the wagons to protect what you know to be true. I on the other hand know very little and am always looking for new ideas.
Thanks for the exchange. Though I agree with Thews and DrW, I hope you find your new ideas. Good luck, Frank.
I believe that the first step would actually involve the overthrow of the greedy government officials who stuff their pockets with the aide monies sent to help the starving. As long as the government remains corrupt, it will be very difficult to provide any lasting help for the people. It is all very much more complicated than merely sending life-saving supplies, attempting to build schools for education, etc. It boggles my mind....though admittedly sometimes it doesn't take very much at all to boggle my mind.
Isn't it spelled, "git er dun"??
Love you!
jo
Overthrowing a government should be no problem for an omnipotent god though.
"Joseph Smith was called as a prophet, dumb-dumb-dumb-dumb-dumb" -South Park
DrW wrote:Franktalk's comments did not make sense when Morley asked the first time and this latest response does even more violence to logic and reason.
One is left to wonder if Franktalk actually reads the stuff he writes before he clicks the submit button. If he does, then we can be thankful that he is not in a position where his brand of argument and "logic" can do harm to others.
The advancement of new ideas do not come from people who believe that everything taught to them represents the whole truth and there can be no further knowledge obtainable. This barrier to new ideas is a major stumbling block to many who have accepted the idea that the current understanding of man is somehow perfect and further investigation is not required or desired but new ideas are to be mocked and ignored if they don't fit into a certain mold. In my case the ideas come from a different perspective of the observations of the world.
"The top physicists in the world mocked Einstein’s theories. They later were proven to be accurate, much too many people’s chagrin. "
I am not comparing myself to Einstein but many in the world did not understand what he was trying to say and it did not fit what they already knew to be true. It is this barrier to new truths which stops the progress of learning for most men. Those men who have vision to see past the current state of man's knowledge at least have a chance to advance knowledge. Those who see the current state of man's knowledge as complete or mock any idea which comes along are doomed to live with what they have been taught and will receive nothing more.
If a man learns of new knowledge like the idea of a spiritual layer of reality that man can use the tools of this physical world to mock and discount the existence of this new view of our reality. This is very common and it serves as a test to the man and his flesh. If a man believes that he is flesh and the whole of reality is the physical world then that person has walled themself in with their world view. In the case of Einstein he did not accept that the physical world was fixed but fluid and subject to change. I embrace this idea and have used it to form many of my views of reality. I have for years tried to tell people that atomic decay rates were different in the past. I thought it made the most sense and it allowed erosion rates to then match up with decay rates of radioactive elements. I was of course mocked for my view of the past and told that the constants of physics are not changeable. Science is only now finding out that what many thought to be constant is indeed not fixed.
So how does one take in this new information from researchers? Do we go back and examine all of our currently held views or do we sit and wait for the experts to tell us what to think? This is a personal choice that one makes based on their world view. Now you can view what I write as crazy talk and that is your choice. But be aware it is a choice that you make. It is my belief that many aspects of this physical reality will start to change in the near future as we head into the end times. These are signs for us to see with open eyes. But sadly most will not view them as signs and will instead cling onto their old beliefs and their fixed world. Again that will be a personal choice.
Franktalk wrote:The advancement of new ideas do not come from people who believe that everything taught to them represents the whole truth and there can be no further knowledge obtainable. This barrier to new ideas is a major stumbling block to many who have accepted the idea that the current understanding of man is somehow perfect and further investigation is not required or desired but new ideas are to be mocked and ignored if they don't fit into a certain mold. In my case the ideas come from a different perspective of the observations of the world.
Do you not see it as incongruous that someone who steadfastly bases their worldview on bronze age myths would see it as appropriate to instruct others on the need to be open to new ideas?
You are the one who refuses to accept scientific knowledge unless you first modify or misunderstand it so that it does not contradict your worldview based on these bronze age myths.
David Hume: "---Mistakes in philosophy are merely ridiculous, those in religion are dangerous."
DrW: "Mistakes in science are learning opportunities and are eventually corrected."
DrW wrote:Do you not see it as incongruous that someone who steadfastly bases their worldview on bronze age myths would see it as appropriate to instruct others on the need to be open to new ideas?
You are the one who refuses to accept scientific knowledge unless you first modify or misunderstand it so that it does not contradict your worldview based on these bronze age myths.
There are many myths but one truth. Truth is very hard to find because there is so much in the world which seems as truth. Based on one's world view we sort out what we think is observed and form a picture of reality. People who stick with the physical world have one kind of reality that they live in. People who don't have the boundaries of this physical world as a barrier have another kind of reality that they live in. For these people the physical world is a subset of a much larger reality. One more complex but gives the ones who find it a better picture as to why we are here. Science does not answer the question of why we are here. Instead it traces back to accidents of the past with no purpose except to support the current limits of the physical universe.
Think of the scriptures as a ticket to a new and better world view. It is not intended to be a complete answer book and is also open to wide interpretation. Like a ticket it matters not what ink is used or the exact language used on the ticket. But it can when coupled with an open mind lead one to a vast new world. Or one can throw away the ticket and say the passage is a myth.
