Spirituality or just emotion...?

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Franktalk wrote:
Tarski wrote:Was there ever a fringe theory that you had no use for?


Yes, man made global warming. The earth heats up and cools down all of the time. To say that man is the primary cause is silly.

Yes, the ice age prediction in the seventies.

Yes, the population bomb that was supposed to be here already.

Yes, wind turbines make sense.

Yes, butter is bad for you.

Yes, eggs are bad for you.

Yes, a frontal lobotomy should be used to fix people.

Yes, eugenics.


Do you live fully the word of wisdom or do you find that a fringe theory?
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Drifting wrote:Do you live fully the word of wisdom or do you find that a fringe theory?


We all sin. And we all at one time or another don't follow good advice. The flesh is weak. Why don't you list all of the people you have ever had sex with. Then detail all sex acts with each person and how you rated their performance. Or we could avoid the personal stuff and discuss the issues.
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Franktalk wrote:
Drifting wrote:Do you live fully the word of wisdom or do you find that a fringe theory?


We all sin. And we all at one time or another don't follow good advice. The flesh is weak. Why don't you list all of the people you have ever had sex with. Then detail all sex acts with each person and how you rated their performance. Or we could avoid the personal stuff and discuss the issues.


LOL!

I didn't mean to tread on a personal cow pat, my apologies.
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Franktalk wrote:One day the big bang theory will fall apart. The weight of evidence will over power the agenda driven elites. Or they will all die off and the new people will believe in new theories. It has happened before and it will happen again.


You can see clear evidence of this within Church doctrine and statements from Church leaders.
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Drifting wrote:You can see clear evidence of this within Church doctrine and statements from Church leaders.


This has nothing to do with the church. But over time I have seen more and more holes poked in the big bang. Much of which many would call fringe science. I do believe in a nonlinear past because scripture tells me so. Exactly how that is I have no idea but I do read material from people who have different theories of the past. If however you think we should all just read what is approved by some elite somewhere then you are free to do that.

The last book I read about spreading sea floors was great. Written by King. Many think he is a nut. They say so because he does not accept the currently held views. Hard to argue with his data. His analysis of the data I found interesting.
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Franktalk wrote:
Drifting wrote:You can see clear evidence of this within Church doctrine and statements from Church leaders.


This has nothing to do with the church.


What?
Changes in doctrine and doctrinal statements by Church leaders have nothing to do with the Church. Really?
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Franktalk wrote:
Yes, man made global warming.



Apparently you do not know the meaning of "fringe theory".
The climate science you reject on the basis the political company you keep is main steam science.
Despite what has become received wisdom among the know-nothings, the science of global warming is more solid than ever. Latest news includes, oil company funded research done by Richard A. Muller's group which ironically reaffirmed the science despite the hope that they were going to debunk it. Muller is no longer a skeptic.
See here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/1 ... 94966.html

The earth heats up and cools down all of the time.

Of course it does. So what? Are you really thinking on such a childish and uninformed level?
There are known warming and cooling cycles that have to do with the periodic variations of the motion of and orientation of the earth in the solar system. These are known and accounted for. The climate change that we see since the introduction of large scale burning of fossil fuels is an effect superimposed on top of that.

To say that man is the primary cause is silly.

No it isn't. Given the amount of new green house gases we introduce into the atmosphere, it would be a great puzzle if it didn't have an effect.
As usual, you don't know what you are talking about. Stop getting your science from FOX news and internet blogs.


Yes, the ice age prediction in the seventies.

This is a myth. Time magazine did a bad article back then suggesting this at a time we didn't yet have a well developed science on the subject. But even then, most scientific papers by a factor of 4 were predicting global warming over then next several hundred years. (Someone finally bothered to check the literature of the time). The idea that near term global cooling was what was being predicted in the 70s is false.

By the way, even now we know there will eventually be another ice age. It will happen in several thousand years on schedule unless other factors delay it. Climate scientists apparently aren't denying that. Periodic ice ages are still science but we are talking in thousands of years.
You aren't thinking carefully enough. There is what will happen over the next several hundred years. Then there is what will happen over the next several thousand years. Finally, there is what will happen over millions of years.
The average rise in global temperature is an effect super imposed on the normal cycles and if will have effects much sooner. In fact, "global warming" is an unfortunate term since it is actually possible that one of the effects of a rise in termperature will be a disruption of thermohaline circulation which could ironically lead to a dramatic cooling of northern Europe.

Climate change due to green house effects is the way we should describe it.

Yes, the population bomb that was supposed to be here already.

Did you get this idea from Saturdays Warrior?
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Tarski wrote:
Apparently you do not know the meaning of "fringe theory".
The climate science you reject on the basis the political company you keep is main steam science.
Despite what has become received wisdom among the know-nothings, the science of global warming is more solid than ever. Latest news includes, oil company funded research done by Richard A. Muller's group which ironically reaffirmed the science despite the hope that they were going to debunk it. Muller is no longer a skeptic.
See here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/1 ... 94966.html


Huffington Post; Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

If you really wish to know what is gong on then go to wattsupwiththat.com

You must realize that the sun is going into a minimum. Or do you discount the effects of the sun? I will save this post so I can throw it out to you in the coming years, it will be fun.
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Those who would cast doubt on climate science can be divided into two groups, Muller replied: those who are legitimately skeptical of the science and seek more evidence, and those who start with the conclusion that climate change is a hoax and seek out any data that seems to justify the notion.


It's very clear which group frank is in. :)
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Franktalk wrote:
Huffington Post; Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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which childish reaction proves my point that you are blinded by political assumptions.
Incorrigible stupidity.
Look genius, the Huffington post did not invent Muller, the data or his overdue exit from denialism. The story is the same if one gets it straight from those involved.
Go directly to Muller's website if you like. (I know you won't--you will only get the distorted version as told by the denialist nuts)

Irrational loons like you are dangerous unwitting agents of darkness. You are part of the reason that the internet is full of misinformation and anti-knowledge. People like you are the reason this country is increasingly scientifically illiterate. You guys do real harm. I truly wish there were going to be a judgement.

You can take your superstition, your twinkly fairy tales, your rumor based Peter Pan belief system, your creationism, your bigfoot (Cain), your fringe scientific bunk, your ignorant anti-science denialism and wrap it all up in blanket of smelly spirit matter and shove it where the medium of Kae-e-vanrash don't shine.
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