Mormon Infobia...

[_Themis]

LOL So which is it?

I wondered the same thing. I wonder what would have happened had Samuel and Don Carlos Smith not been out of the way already.

We can never know, since it would probably mean we wouldn't exist today. :)

[_SteelHead]

I asked for the cfr as I have read all of the related scriptures and there is no explicit directions for succession. Just the verses now used to after the fact justify what occurred which, by the way follow instructions about the leadership being lineal.

But hey since you never support your assertions, why should this case be different.

Others on the list of changes:
Organization of leadership/creation of the quorom of the 12.
Institution and abandonment of consecration.
Major changes to the purpose of and practices in the temple between Kirtland and Nauvoo.
Changes to the understanding and role of the WOW.
Evolution of the understanding of the nature of the godhead and its associated members.
Whole scale rewriting of the D&C.
Decanonization of Lectures of Faith.

[_Drifting]

The ignorance and predjudices of youth it's perfectly "normal" to be foolish and to go stupid ways. But the wise person continues forward, continues to learn. I also know I'm not being hoodwinked now because first I've been a non believer, I'm a convert to the Church. I was a basic believer, and then anti-mormon and anti-religion. And now for nearly 20 years, fully faithful. And I know I'm not woodwinked because of what I've been able to learn, which is only sustained the last near 20 years. I still study anti-mormonism, I still study religious history, LDS and non-LDS, but I also study LDS scholarship, and nothing else compares.

Please can you supply an example of incomporable LDS scholarship?

Thanks

[_Drifting]

Anyway, stop lying by claiming people base their faith whatever is on "feelings".
You don't base your judgments on feelings, and neither does the religious person.
Their judgment is based on STUDY and Faith. That is the Moroni promise.

Moroni's promise tells you to specifically rely on feelings...

3 Behold, I would exhort you that when ye shall read these things, if it be wisdom in God that ye should read them, that ye would remember how merciful the Lord hath been unto the children of men, from the creation of Adam even down until the time that ye shall receive these things, and ponder it in your chearts.

4 And when ye shall receive these things, I would exhort you that ye would ask God, the Eternal Father, in the name of Christ, if these things are not true; and if ye shall ask with a sincere heart, with real intent, having faith in Christ, he will manifest the truth of it unto you, by the power of the Holy Ghost.

5 And by the power of the Holy Ghost ye may know the truth of all things.

Can you show me in this promise the bit where it tells you not to make decisions based solely on feelings?

[_Drifting]

So, Mrs Drifting is watching a tv programme about the FLDS last night.
She finds it fascinating.
I ask in passing "how many wives did Joseph Smith have?"

Mrs Drifting was born in the Church.
Never been anything other than fully active and fully believing.
Went through all the teaching programmes of the Church.
Graduated seminary and institute with flying colours.
Served in Primary, Young Women and Relief Societies presidencies.
Sat through decades of Gospel Doctrine and Relief Society lessons.

Mrs Drifting responded "Polygamy didn't start until Brigham Young".

Hmmm...I researched on google and showed that Joseph, in fact, had more than thirty wives. A number of whom were married at the time. Mrs Drifting, flustered now, offered that the husbands had probably died and Joseph was just looking after them.

When I pointed out that the husbands were living at the time Joseph wed them, Mrs Drifting got more flustered and said "well, I'm not going to get involved in that" and promptly changed the subject.


This, I believe is an example of Mormon Infobia.

[_Tobin]

So, Mrs Drifting is watching a tv programme about the FLDS last night.
She finds it fascinating.
I ask in passing "how many wives did Joseph Smith have?"

Mrs Drifting was born in the Church.
Never been anything other than fully active and fully believing.
Went through all the teaching programmes of the Church.
Graduated seminary and institute with flying colours.
Served in Primary, Young Women and Relief Societies presidencies.
Sat through decades of Gospel Doctrine and Relief Society lessons.

Mrs Drifting responded "Polygamy didn't start until Brigham Young".

Hmmm...I researched on google and showed that Joseph, in fact, had more than thirty wives. A number of whom were married at the time. Mrs Drifting, flustered now, offered that the husbands had probably died and Joseph was just looking after them.

When I pointed out that the husbands were living at the time Joseph wed them, Mrs Drifting got more flustered and said "well, I'm not going to get involved in that" and promptly changed the subject.


This, I believe is an example of Mormon Infobia.

Poor Mrs Drifting. She is going to have to come to terms with polygamy and Joseph Smith or eventually have her Mormon world rocked.

[_Drifting]

Poor Mrs Drifting. She is going to have to come to terms with polygamy and Joseph Smith or eventually have her Mormon world rocked.

Thanks Tobin, I agree.
Stuff like this is very sensitive in that, if I point stuff out then I become the problem rather than the factual information itself. The sooner the Church tells a truthful history in its teaching programmes the better.

[_Tobin]

Poor Mrs Drifting. She is going to have to come to terms with polygamy and Joseph Smith or eventually have her Mormon world rocked.

Thanks Tobin, I agree.
Stuff like this is very sensitive in that, if I point stuff out then I become the problem rather than the factual information itself. The sooner the Church tells a truthful history in its teaching programmes the better.

I guess it wouldn't help her to know that there are Mormons in the church that think that polygamy was uninspired and that the church was punished by God for living it and nearly destroyed. You want to see silence in a Gospel Doctrine class - express that one day. You'll probably get the funniest dumbstruck expression on the teacher's face as they try to recover the tatters of their SLC-handed-down lesson plan.