The 'right' kind of Mormon...

[_bcspace]

"Lesson 33: President Brigham Young Leads the Saints," Doctrine and Covenants and Church History Gospel Doctrine Teacher’s Manual, (1999)

[_Equality]

"Lesson 33: President Brigham Young Leads the Saints," Doctrine and Covenants and Church History Gospel Doctrine Teacher’s Manual, (1999)

Your point?

[_Drifting]

"Lesson 33: President Brigham Young Leads the Saints," Doctrine and Covenants and Church History Gospel Doctrine Teacher’s Manual, (1999)

bcspace,
Please can you summarise the main similarities of the succession of Brigham Young from President of the Q12 to Prophet with that of Thomas S Monson's appointment from FP Counsellor to Prophet?

Thanks

And also explain why it took so long to appoint Brigham?

The Quorum of the Twelve, with Brigham Young as President of the quorum, presided over the Church for three and one-half years. On 27 December 1847, the First Presidency was formally reorganized with Brigham Young as the President.

[_subgenius]

Sub,
Are you saying that those who split away at various points failed at Moroni's challenge?

No. Moroni's challenge is rather specific about the Book of Mormon is it not?
But they have failed at their application of the knowledge of this truth.
Perhaps "failed" is not the appropriated word....i think "chosen incorrectly" is better.

[_Drifting]

Sub,
Are you saying that those who split away at various points failed at Moroni's challenge?

No. Moroni's challenge is rather specific about the Book of Mormon is it not?
But they have failed at their application of the knowledge of this truth.
Perhaps "failed" is not the appropriated word....i think "chosen incorrectly" is better.

Oh, okay.

So the person who read the Book of Mormon and passed Moroni's challenge but did so within the FLDS chose incorrectly.

How so?

[_subgenius]

Moroni's challenge lead this woman to join the FLDS church:

http://dayofpraise.blogspot.com/2008/05 ... -love.html

actually she cites the passage from James for her confirmation
I appreciate her following quote:
"I am here of my free choice. I have never been forced or coerced. I am living a full and rewarding life."

I do not agree with her choice to join the FLDS church and i am in no position to condemn her for it.

[_subgenius]

Oh, okay.

So the person who read the Book of Mormon and passed Moroni's challenge but did so within the FLDS chose incorrectly.

How so?

Because the FLDS church bases its spiritual authority from the Wolley statement and the alleged 1886 revelation.

[_Drifting]

Oh, okay.

So the person who read the Book of Mormon and passed Moroni's challenge but did so within the FLDS chose incorrectly.

How so?

Because the FLDS church bases its spiritual authority from the Wolley statement and the alleged 1886 revelation.

So was the person being tricked by Moroni's challenge?
They verified the Book of Mormon was true in the way expressed but wasn't prompted to leave that Church and join another one also using Moroni's challenge and the Book of Mormon.
That's confusing.

Should she not have been told it was true because the religion using it was false?

Let's say you started a religion...The Church of Subgeniologists...and you used the Book of Mormon as your holy scripture. You went and knocked on a non-subgeniologists door and did your missionary spiel and handed over a Book of Mormon. You give them the challenge from Moroni. Should the investigator be told by the Spirit:
1. The book is true, or
2. The book is false?

[_subgenius]

So was the person being tricked by Moroni's challenge?

i have no way of knowing that. They may have received an answer from the "challenge", what answer i do not know. It is apparent that, if they took the challenge and received an answer they acted erroneously when it came to choosing which Church to join.

They verified the Book of Mormon was true in the way expressed but wasn't prompted to leave that Church and join another one also using Moroni's challenge and the Book of Mormon.
That's confusing.

that's because you assume facts not in evidence.
The OP specifically asks "How do you know that the Brighamite sect was the right one?" to which i responded.
Now you have changed the subject, and changed it to a subject that neither of us are qualified to discuss beyond speculation.

Let's say you started a religion...The Church of Subgeniologists

obviously church of subgenius being already established.

...and you used the Book of Mormon as your holy scripture. You went and knocked on a non-subgeniologists door and did your missionary spiel and handed over a Book of Mormon. You give them the challenge from Moroni. Should the investigator be told by the Spirit:
1. The book is true, or
2. The book is false?

I do not consider the scriptures support the idea that the HG works that way, so the investigator will likely not be "told" either by the HG.
The HG is the power by which Heavenly Father "manifests truth" upon us.

I do consider that if one prays with real intent and with sincerity, or rather "asks of God", that one will, upon said manifestation, "know the truth".

[_Drifting]

So was the person being tricked by Moroni's challenge?

i have no way of knowing that. They may have received an answer from the "challenge", what answer i do not know. It is apparent that, if they took the challenge and received an answer they acted erroneously when it came to choosing which Church to join.

They verified the Book of Mormon was true in the way expressed but wasn't prompted to leave that Church and join another one also using Moroni's challenge and the Book of Mormon.
That's confusing.

that's because you assume facts not in evidence.
The OP specifically asks "How do you know that the Brighamite sect was the right one?" to which i responded.
Now you have changed the subject, and changed it to a subject that neither of us are qualified to discuss beyond speculation.

Let's say you started a religion...The Church of Subgeniologists

obviously church of subgenius being already established.

...and you used the Book of Mormon as your holy scripture. You went and knocked on a non-subgeniologists door and did your missionary spiel and handed over a Book of Mormon. You give them the challenge from Moroni. Should the investigator be told by the Spirit:
1. The book is true, or
2. The book is false?

I do not consider the scriptures support the idea that the HG works that way, so the investigator will likely not be "told" either by the HG.
The HG is the power by which Heavenly Father "manifests truth" upon us.

I do consider that if one prays with real intent and with sincerity, or rather "asks of God", that one will, upon said manifestation, "know the truth".