malkie wrote:Do you think that the people who build and run the church visitors' centres, though they do seem to be quite definite about it, could be completely mistaken about the location of the "real" hill where the Book of Mormon events took place?
Yes, they are mistaken. They should just call it Mormon hill where the Book of Mormon was buried. And the comment I stated to the 2nd map was a error on my part and I have corrected it. It is as you stated - just possible locations of Book of Mormon events.
Edited after looking at the post I quoted from: I still think that you are ignoring the way the maps were used. The first map (modernmap.gif) shows actual place names, and the second (mormonmap.gif) shows, for each actual place name, a similar sounding name from the Book of Mormon. The point of the 2 maps is to show how Book of Mormon place names could have been derived from names of places that could conceivably have been familiar to Joseph Smith, not to indicate anything about the locations, or even relative locations, of Book of Mormon places.
I appreciate your correction of the idea that one of the maps was commonly passed out with the Book of Mormon.
Later today I hope to have something more to add to this slight derail of the thread (that has us sidetracked at the Hill Cumorah).
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malkie wrote:According to this map (http://www.bookofmormongeography.org/files/u1/tonawanda-watershed-map.jpg) the hill Cumorah would be located in Niagara county to the west of Orleans county, while the actual hill Cumorah is located in Wayne county, far to the east of Orleans county (and Monroe county!). Shall we look at another earlier attempt at a map that was commonly passed out with the Book of Mormon? This map claims that the hill Cumorah/Ramah is actually in Canada.
Wow, Love those maps. At last some of the Book of Mormon place names link up to a real map. Too bad none of the names were used by the native peoples of the region (except for Tecumseh and Kishkiminetas, both bastardized versions of native names).
Did you know that Tecumseh helped capture Detroit and held it for a year as property of British North America? I think of that every time I watch a Red Wings game. Damn, they could have been a Canadian team.)
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Your quotes got mangled - probably bcuz of Dr Shades' 2-layer limit.
It was Tobin who said
According to this map (http://www.bookofmormongeography.org/fi ... ed-map.jpg) the hill Cumorah would be located in Niagara county to the west of Orleans county, while the actual hill Cumorah is located in Wayne county, far to the east of Orleans county (and Monroe county!). Shall we look at another earlier attempt at a map that was commonly passed out with the Book of Mormon? {{maps}} This map claims that the hill Cumorah/Ramah is actually in Canada.
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Maksutov: "... if you give someone else the means to always push your buttons, you're lost."
You're quotes got mangled - probably bcuz of Dr Shades' 2-layer limit.
Damn those double layer limits! Damn those double layered chocolate devil's cakes. Damn those double layered interfacial structures that appear on the surface of an object when it is placed into a liquid. Damn those double layered Mormon heavens....no, wait, ....they're triple layered.
And in the end, the love you take, is equal to the love...you make. PMcC
Try a Bible concordance and a Hebrew lexicon, you will learn the the word translated as steel in the kjv is actually copper or bronze in the original.
Ether 7:9 has steel swords being manufactured around 2500 bc. There is no evidence for pre colombian high temperature metallurgy in the western hemisphere of this nature.
It is better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener at war.
Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality. ~Bill Hamblin
According to Strong's, the Hebrew word is used for cooper, bronze, or steel. Actually, I stated the Book of King's, but I was in error. It was the Book of 2nd Samuel.
That's funny. I have heard no critics condemn the word "steel" as it was translated in the Book of Kings, which is older that the Book of Mormon! Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 8:05 pm
But an hour later...
gdemetz wrote:These critics are lashing out blindly in ignorance since the history of steel goes back to at least 1400 BC in East Africa. Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:07 pm
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