Marlin K Jensen: Large numbers NOT apostatizing

[_malkie]

I think he would agree because such was published in summary (Approaching Mormon Doctrine) during the administration of his First Presidency. Say rather that there is unanimity after counseling together before the head acts or approves. The same occurred with, for example OD-1.

Did this, then, signal a change in the relationship of the two bodies?

No change that I can see.

What if there is not "unanimity after counseling together"?

The quorum must be unanimous (D&C 107:27). Would be interesting to read about cases where they are not.

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If there is no change, then the 3 can act without consulting the 12 -

... so long as there are three presiding Elders who possess the presiding authority in the Church, the authority of the Twelve Apostles is not equal to theirs ...

That they might choose to consult is irrelevant - no?

D&C 107:27 says that the quorum's decision has no effect if not unanimous, not that they will always agree. Or are you suggesting that they are always of one mind?

What about this: "1969: President Hugh B. Brown proposes that the Church's policy be reversed and that Blacks be given the Priesthood. This policy was approved by the Quorum of Twelve and the First Presidency with President McKay and Harold B. Lee absent. (President McKay was disabled due to age and President Lee was traveling on Church business). When President Lee returns, he calls for another vote and the measure is defeated." Mormon Stories
The only way that they could be unanimous in this case would be if all were in favour for the first vote, and all against for the second. I think that this might be even more difficult to explain than lack of unanimity.

[_hatersinmyward]

(0:29) Dallin H. Oaks confirms apostasy; however he says Young Men are leaving at a faster rate than Young Women.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93XqR6IO ... ure=relmfu

WTF!!! the GAs already announced the apostasy is not happening. HAHA.

The real dilemma appears to be the fact there aren't enough Young Men to go around. Perhaps theres enough Polygamy to go around?

[_Buffalo]

(0:29) Dallin H. Oaks confirms apostasy; however he says Young Men are leaving at a faster rate than Young Women.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93XqR6IO ... ure=relmfu

WTF!!! the GAs already announced the apostasy is not happening. HAHA.

The real dilemma appears to be the fact there aren't enough Young Men to go around. Perhaps theres enough Polygamy to go around?

Hey, here's an idea. Counsel the single sisters to find a nice non-member (gasp!) to date/marry.

[_Buffalo]

I also liked the tacit admission in that video that they don't really receive any sort of revelation. They just go with their gut and ascribe it to God.

[_Tobin]

(0:29) Dallin H. Oaks confirms apostasy; however he says Young Men are leaving at a faster rate than Young Women.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93XqR6IO ... ure=relmfu
WTF!!! the GAs already announced the apostasy is not happening. HAHA.
The real dilemma appears to be the fact there aren't enough Young Men to go around. Perhaps theres enough Polygamy to go around?

I'm just waiting for these "inspired" gentlemen to bring back polygamy as their recommendation to fix the problem. Actually, the church has a real problem in this area. I left the church after my mission and had no interest in it what-so-ever. Many of the guys I grew up left as well. My nephews are the same. They are in their 20's and have no interest in the church. Unless and until they fix things in the church (and I don't think they will - polygamy will come back first), they will lose increasing numbers of young men and here is exactly why: CHURCH MEETINGS ARE BORING AS HELL!!! and they don't do things that engage young adults. It is a puritan culture that is misplaced in a modern America and they have failed on almost all levels to adapt.

[_malkie]

I think he would agree because such was published in summary (Approaching Mormon Doctrine) during the administration of his First Presidency. Say rather that there is unanimity after counseling together before the head acts or approves. The same occurred with, for example OD-1.

Did this, then, signal a change in the relationship of the two bodies?

No change that I can see.

What if there is not "unanimity after counseling together"?

The quorum must be unanimous (D&C 107:27). Would be interesting to read about cases where they are not.

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If there is no change, then the 3 can act without consulting the 12 -

... so long as there are three presiding Elders who possess the presiding authority in the Church, the authority of the Twelve Apostles is not equal to theirs ...

That they might choose to consult is irrelevant - no?

D&C 107:27 says that the quorum's decision has no effect if not unanimous, not that they will always agree. Or are you suggesting that they are always of one mind?

What about this: "1969: President Hugh B. Brown proposes that the Church's policy be reversed and that Blacks be given the Priesthood. This policy was approved by the Quorum of Twelve and the First Presidency with President McKay and Harold B. Lee absent. (President McKay was disabled due to age and President Lee was traveling on Church business). When President Lee returns, he calls for another vote and the measure is defeated." Mormon Stories
The only way that they could be unanimous in this case would be if all were in favour for the first vote, and all against for the second. I think that this might be even more difficult to explain than lack of unanimity.


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