Why aren't Book of Mormon populations Jewish?
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I agree with ldsfaqs that the assumption that the Book of Mormon indicates that no-one else was living here is patently absurd. North and South America are vast continents. The Book of Mormon on the other hand clearly only discusses a relatively small area (within a few days walking distance). It is just a false position to state that since the Book of Mormon does not talk about these other areas of the continent that means no-one was living here. I think that is a ridiculous assumption to make.
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Tobin wrote:I agree with ldsfaqs that the assumption that the Book of Mormon indicates that no-one else was living here is patently absurd. North and South America are vast continents. The Book of Mormon on the other hand clearly only discusses a relatively small area (within a few days walking distance). It is just a false position to state that since the Book of Mormon does not talk about these other areas of the continent that means no-one was living here. I think that is a ridiculous assumption to make.
It's clear to see what the Book of Mormon is talking about a larger area when you keep all the groups it does mention, in addition to what Joseph taught about it. Did it only include some small area? Did Nephi then leave this area when he left Laman and lemuel. or how about the Jaredites and Mulekites? There is a reason a much larger area has been taught about this. Lehi's promise is given before he was to even set foot on the America's. Other problem also come out with references to a global flood and tower of babel. Never doe3s it mention other groups which would certainly have been around. The Bible does in many laces. It really does fit the popular ideas of the early 1800's. I suppose this is why some are moving to inspired fiction.
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ldsfaqs wrote:Actually the Book of Mormon doesn't say "no one was there", in fact it says the opposite. If you actually knew the book, you would know this. Yes, there is a point in which they say a certain land was set apart for them, etc., but the Bible also says this so-called "no one was there", yet it also shows clearly plenty of groups were there and they were known, likewise with the Book of Mormon. Several groups are mentioned later during the same time period that had to come from somewhere, but were not from Lehi's group.
Again, ignorance of the Scriptures and the Churches actual full history creates anti-mormonism.
Oh, and by the way..... Goodness..... Noah's flood occurred well before Lehi, thus plenty of time for various peoples to populate the continent. No one has ever claimed "Hebrews" were the only people on the planet. Man, talk about IGNORANCE..... creating anti-mormonism!!!
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I think we have entirely different ideas of scope. Most of the Bible itself primarily deals with only the lands of Israel. It is not hard to imagine that the Book of Mormon is not dealing with a similar scale as well. We aren't talking of thousands of miles, only hundreds and that is just one small part of the continental area in North and South America.Themis wrote:It's clear to see what the Book of Mormon is talking about a larger area when you keep all the groups it does mention, in addition to what Joseph taught about it. Did it only include some small area? Did Nephi then leave this area when he left Laman and lemuel. or how about the Jaredites and Mulekites? There is a reason a much larger area has been taught about this. Lehi's promise is given before he was to even set foot on the America's. Other problem also come out with references to a global flood and tower of babel. Never doe3s it mention other groups which would certainly have been around. The Bible does in many laces. It really does fit the popular ideas of the early 1800's. I suppose this is why some are moving to inspired fiction.Tobin wrote:I agree with ldsfaqs that the assumption that the Book of Mormon indicates that no-one else was living here is patently absurd. North and South America are vast continents. The Book of Mormon on the other hand clearly only discusses a relatively small area (within a few days walking distance). It is just a false position to state that since the Book of Mormon does not talk about these other areas of the continent that means no-one was living here. I think that is a ridiculous assumption to make.
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Tobin wrote:I think we have entirely different ideas of scope. Most of the Bible itself primarily deals with only the lands of Israel. It is not hard to imagine that the Book of Mormon is not dealing with a similar scale as well. We aren't talking of thousands of miles, only hundreds and that is just one small part of the continental area in North and South America.
Even hundreds of miles represent a very large area. It still does not help the Book of Mormon fit with what we actually see.
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I disagree. I think it fits nicely in Central America.Themis wrote:Even hundreds of miles represent a very large area. It still does not help the Book of Mormon fit with what we actually see.Tobin wrote:I think we have entirely different ideas of scope. Most of the Bible itself primarily deals with only the lands of Israel. It is not hard to imagine that the Book of Mormon is not dealing with a similar scale as well. We aren't talking of thousands of miles, only hundreds and that is just one small part of the continental area in North and South America.
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Re: Why aren't Book of Mormon populations Jewish?
Except that the plates... Those pesky plates were burried in upstate New York.
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SteelHead wrote:Except that the plates... Those pesky plates were burried in upstate New York.
Buried by Moroni in a box he made for Joseph Smith to find. Where the plates buried has nothing more to do with Book of Mormon events other than that.
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Tobin wrote:I disagree. I think it fits nicely in Central America.
So, that doesn't help the Book of Mormon any.
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Sure it does. You have large civilizations. One civilization, the Olmecs, just up and disappeared (hmmm, I wonder could it be because they killed each other off in a great war?). Seems to fit very nicely there.Themis wrote:So, that doesn't help the Book of Mormon any.Tobin wrote:I disagree. I think it fits nicely in Central America.
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