Epic Mormonism Live on Rosebud Accusations

[jpatterson]

Again, I've got nothing to gain by going after John, other than being a good person by standing up for a victim of abuse and harassment, which I believe Rosebud is.

Or you are being a character assassin siding with somebody carrying out a vendetta for a watercooler romance spurning.

Why would I do that? Just for fun? You think I just have nothing better to do with my time?

John's a hypocrite. Hypocrites piss me off. That's all my involvement boils down to.

ETA: Also, it's not character assassination if its...you know...true.

[Tator]

JPatterson wrote:

I left Mormonism in 2017. I left exmormonism shortly after because I realized that the community does a really crappy job of moving on from the bad habits and mindsets that are engrained in them by the LDS Church.

Mormonism is poison that polutes whether you are in or out.

Personally, I am sick of the JD/Rosebud saga with countless sockpuppets and endless accusations. They are poisoned and play a game that means nothing. You JP continue to play so perhaps you are still in the ex-Mormon poisoned mindset and bad habits.

JD "the Don Jaun" and Rosebud "the scorned woman" deserve each other, we don't deserve either one.

[Kishkumen]

Jeez John is incredibly savvy and sneaky with the media. How'd he get RFM and Bill to be his lapdogs? That was incredibly odd. Why do they feel the need to defend him, when they can't possibly know if they are being manipulated by the guests (I admit I didn't watch or listen to the episode...started but it's completely annoying)? I'm sure I'm missing something there.

Maybe you forgot the whole Kwaku nonsense, but I don't think any of the rest of us did.

[jpatterson]

JPatterson wrote:

I left Mormonism in 2017. I left exmormonism shortly after because I realized that the community does a really crappy job of moving on from the bad habits and mindsets that are engrained in them by the LDS Church.

Mormonism is poison that polutes whether you are in or out.

Personally, I am sick of the JD/Rosebud saga with countless sockpuppets and endless accusations. They are poisoned and play a game that means nothing. You JP continue to play so perhaps you are still in the ex-Mormon poisoned mindset and bad habits.

JD "the Don Jaun" and Rosebud "the scorned woman" deserve each other, we don't deserve either one.

This is fair, and well taken.

Several times over the past several years I've wanted to make a big deal out of this but have restrained myself (mostly because I know the fawning army of Dehlinites that John has at his disposal he can and will use as human body shields, Bill Reel being the latest example) but then John pops off about how innocent he is and I can't help myself.

I wish I'd never crossed paths with John. As I'm sure he does me. And now that John's dam has started to crack, maybe it's better for my mental health if I just let the crack widen on its own.

[consiglieri]

What a very rosebud thing to say.

[Kishkumen]

If you look at all the texts (not just the ones RFM released) you will see that Rosebud is telling John that it's time for him to poop or get off the pot, after years of pursuing her, then backing away. John acknowledges in these texts that he has been "toying" with Rosebud for quite some time and that she should leave Open Stories Foundation.

I am not sure why you think that strengthens Rosebud's case at all. There is a yawning gulf between "sleep with me now or leave me alone" and "this man is a creepy, rapey monster who is victimizing me."

He tells her repeatedly that she needs to leave because he won't leave his wife and he won't leave Open Stories Foundation. She is the one who needs to go because they can't keep their hands off each other.

This, combined with the fact that Rosebud was her subordinate at the time, is evidence that John at the very least violated Open Stories Foundation's current policy on sexual harassment (one he said when it was released he's never violated) and backs up her claims in her NH human rights commission complaint.

James, you seem like a decent guy, so I am baffled by your involvement in this and your energy in coming here with these nonsensical stories of non-victimization trying to get some kind of traction against John Dehlin. I guess you really are stuck in the adolescent mindset of being really cheesed off when you find out that daddy smoked Mary Jane behind your back and then told you not to do it.

I agree with you that Open Stories Foundation was poorly equipped to handle the vindictive wrecking ball that is Rosebud, but that is not really to Rosebud's credit. Yes, it appears that Joanna Brooks unilaterally decided to help everyone get out of a mess that John and Rosebud created together by having an unwise and inappropriate relationship, complete with tongue, mammary feelz, and some Levi luvin'. Rosebud wasn't happily taking the crumbs she was offered for her eight-months' investment as an employee (Really? That's all?), so she refused Joanna's solution and decides to hold out for something better.

Because she could not get any traction with her friends on the board, she threatened John and Open Stories Foundation to fabricate charges of sexual harassment for what was, after all, a consensual relationship, and in her completely and maniacally self-defeating and grandiose letter, she revealed her plans to become a celebrity victim and drag everyone to hell with her.

That elicits zero sympathy from anyone who is dealing with a full deck and isn't trying to get revenge against pops for being a hypocritical doofus.

Oh, and she didn't back up anything with her NH complaint. She has never, ever offered any evidence of sexual harassment, and so you don't have any either. You have this complaint that Natasha Helfer spoke on Joanna Brooks' behalf by saying "we" for things that were clearly Joanna's unilateral decision--because, as we all know, and really don't care, Open Stories Foundation was a puny little joke of a non-profit that was basically a small group of amateurs boxing way above their weight.

I have been selective in my release of information because I'm bound by a promise I made to Rosebud (who, frankly, is reluctant to litigate this in the court of public opinion for the very reason you're seeing...lots of people attacking her character, doxxing her and defending John).

John is releasing selective information because he's trying to paint a narrative.

Look, you were selective in your editing of texts on reddit. Please, please, please . . . if you are going to continue down this path of self-immolation for a vindictive crazy person (my non-professional opinion), you better start getting your story straight and keeping in mind that we do read and pay attention, despite what you may think.

You can't doxx someone who has repeatedly revealed her own identity. And yet, here we are, calling her Rosebud just for the sake of being polite and honoring her request to us on a board that was closed some time ago.

Yeah, but clearly we're the bad guys here.

[Kishkumen]

This is fair, and well taken.

Several times over the past several years I've wanted to make a big deal out of this but have restrained myself (mostly because I know the fawning army of Dehlinites that John has at his disposal he can and will use as human body shields, Bill Reel being the latest example) but then John pops off about how innocent he is and I can't help myself.

I wish I'd never crossed paths with John. As I'm sure he does me. And now that John's dam has started to crack, maybe it's better for my mental health if I just let the crack widen on its own.

You actually have the power to stop at any time. Seriously. Step back from this and return to blogging on Rational Faiths. Here's the thing: we don't care about any of this. We are not fans of John Dehlin, and we are not fans of Rosebud. We have no dog in this fight, and so we would be really open to the evidence that Rosebud has promised for a decade now and has not delivered. Unless you have that evidence, please, don't waste our time. Go back to blogging and leave us alone.

[Tator]

JP the best way to get out of a tug of war is to drop the rope.

[Kishkumen]

JP the best way to get out of a tug of war is to drop the rope.

Amen. James Patterson is a decent writer. It is a much healthier way to spend his time than fighting John Dehlin using Rosebud as his club.

Motive-->"John's a hypocrite. Hypocrites piss me off. That's all my involvement boils down to." ~ James Patterson, Rational Faiths

[jpatterson]

You actually have the power to stop at any time. Seriously. Step back from this and return to blogging on Rational Faiths. Here's the thing: we don't care about any of this. We are not fans of John Dehlin, and we are not fans of Rosebud. We have no dog in this fight, and so we would be really open to the evidence that Rosebud has promised for a decade now and has not delivered. Unless you have that evidence, please, don't waste our time. Go back to blogging and leave us alone.

Your main mistake is assuming I post here with a desire to acquiesce to your wants and needs. I put out information in a variety of places. Sometimes so others will see it, sometimes so John himself will see it.

My job is not to make you happy. You also have the power to ignore my posts. It's funny how that works.

ETA: Also, I don't blog for Rational Faiths anymore. I actually just noticed they have me still listed as a permablogger. Need to have them take that down.