Why did Holland and Purdy lie...?

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Why did Holland and Purdy lie...?

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Here was a chance to be bold in answering questions about the Church, something members are exhorted to do with courage week in week out.

So why didn't two full time paid employee's; one an Apostle of the Lord and one a professional PR man, give a straight answer to a straight question?

Purdy, denied knowledge of the Strengthening Church Members Committee. Then, when shown to be lying, said he would get someone from that committee (that he as just denied existed) to talk with the reporter.

Holland denied that the Temple included death oaths and denied that Romney had taken them. Again, when shown to be lying, he stated the opposite, that yes the temple had included death oaths and that Romney had taken such an oath.

To very recent examples of the most senior men in the Church lying to try and cover something up that it doesn't want the world or the members to know about.

Was the Holy Ghost screaming "lie, lie, lie" in their bosom?
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If I pulled the same kind of lying in my daily life, would I be worthy of a temple recommend?
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If I pulled the same kind of lying in my daily life, would I be worthy of a temple recommend?
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Drifting wrote:Here was a chance to be bold in answering questions about the Church, something members are exhorted to do with courage week in week out.

So why didn't two full time paid employee's; one an Apostle of the Lord and one a professional PR man, give a straight answer to a straight question?

Purdy, denied knowledge of the Strengthening Church Members Committee. Then, when shown to be lying, said he would get someone from that committee (that he as just denied existed) to talk with the reporter.

Holland denied that the Temple included death oaths and denied that Romney had taken them. Again, when shown to be lying, he stated the opposite, that yes the temple had included death oaths and that Romney had taken such an oath.

To very recent examples of the most senior men in the Church lying to try and cover something up that it doesn't want the world or the members to know about.

Was the Holy Ghost screaming "lie, lie, lie" in their bosom?

reference(s)/citation(s), please
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subgenius wrote:
Drifting wrote:Here was a chance to be bold in answering questions about the Church, something members are exhorted to do with courage week in week out.

So why didn't two full time paid employee's; one an Apostle of the Lord and one a professional PR man, give a straight answer to a straight question?

Purdy, denied knowledge of the Strengthening Church Members Committee. Then, when shown to be lying, said he would get someone from that committee (that he as just denied existed) to talk with the reporter.

Holland denied that the Temple included death oaths and denied that Romney had taken them. Again, when shown to be lying, he stated the opposite, that yes the temple had included death oaths and that Romney had taken such an oath.

To very recent examples of the most senior men in the Church lying to try and cover something up that it doesn't want the world or the members to know about.

Was the Holy Ghost screaming "lie, lie, lie" in their bosom?

reference(s)/citation(s), please


The Mormon Candidate BBCTV.
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Re: Why did Holland and Purdy lie...?

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Drifting wrote:
The Mormon Candidate BBCTV.

got anything more substantial or should we just "trust" you?

"Currently BBC iPlayer TV programmes are available to play in the UK only"
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subgenius wrote:
Drifting wrote:
The Mormon Candidate BBCTV.

got anything more substantial or should we just "trust" you?

"Currently BBC iPlayer TV programmes are available to play in the UK only"


Try YouTube...

http://youtu.be/ws4vgihE3Q0
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I don't think Holland lied outright. He was being deceptive by changing tenses (in other words, engaging in PR), but when called on it, he did admit that the penalties used to be practiced. He wasn't honest, but I'd hesitate to call him a liar outright based on that statement alone.
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Watch it again. He lies. He answers "that is a lie", then only changes his tune when caught in the lie.
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Re: Why did Holland and Purdy lie...?

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Buffalo wrote:I don't think Holland lied outright. He was being deceptive by changing tenses (in other words, engaging in PR), but when called on it, he did admit that the penalties used to be practiced. He wasn't honest, but I'd hesitate to call him a liar outright based on that statement alone.


Hyrum's Book of Mormon...?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.”
Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric

"One, two, three...let's go shopping!"
Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
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