Why did Holland and Purdy lie...?

[_Drifting]

Actually, when asked specifically about the death oaths of the temple he says (If I recall correctly) "that's not true, that's not true, we do not have penalties in the Temple"

Reporter "you used to?"

Holland "yes, we used to"

[_SteelHead]

But the initial question was speaking of Romney who went through the temple prior to 1990 and made the oaths, hence Holland lies and then dances.

[_subgenius]

Actually, when asked specifically about the death oaths of the temple he says (If I recall correctly) "that's not true, that's not true, we do not have penalties in the Temple"

Reporter "you used to?"

Holland "yes, we used to"

again...link(s)?

[_Buffalo]

I don't think Holland lied outright. He was being deceptive by changing tenses (in other words, engaging in PR), but when called on it, he did admit that the penalties used to be practiced. He wasn't honest, but I'd hesitate to call him a liar outright based on that statement alone.

Hyrum's Book of Mormon...?

I don't recall what that was about.

I'm not saying Holland hasn't ever lied. You can't get anywhere in the LDS hierarchy without being willing to lie.

[_Buffalo]

Actually, when asked specifically about the death oaths of the temple he says (If I recall correctly) "that's not true, that's not true, we do not have penalties in the Temple"

Reporter "you used to?"

Holland "yes, we used to"

again...link(s)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLRzdeKE ... ure=relmfu

[_Buffalo]

But the initial question was speaking of Romney who went through the temple prior to 1990 and made the oaths, hence Holland lies and then dances.

I listened to it again. Yes, it appears that he lied.

[_Buffalo]

If Holland were at all competent, he would have said that George Washington was a mason, and would have been involved in similarly kookie activities. And that worked out all right.

[_Drifting]

Buff,

Holland stood up at Conference a year or two ago and held aloft the actual Book of Mormon that Hyrum Smith had read from on the day they went to Carthage. It was subsequently shown that it was not Hyrum's actuall Book of Mormon that he held...

[_Natsunekko]

If Holland were at all competent, he would have said that George Washington was a mason, and would have been involved in similarly kookie activities. And that worked out all right.

And, more recently, JFK was a self-professed faithful Catholic--and if you want to hear some kookie beliefs, listen to the Catholic discussions of sacrament and scriptures. Worse, look at the history political meddling by the leaders of the Catholic religion. And, at least as far as his religion was concerned, JFK worked out all right too.

I dislike Romney-for-president, but not 'cause he's a Mormon.

[_Themis]

Buff,

Holland stood up at Conference a year or two ago and held aloft the actual Book of Mormon that Hyrum Smith had read from on the day they went to Carthage. It was subsequently shown that it was not Hyrum's actuall Book of Mormon that he held...

Is there evidence that Holland knew it was not, or did he believe that it was. Lying is knowingly saying something that is not true.