Why did Holland and Purdy lie...?

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Re: Why did Holland and Purdy lie...?

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SteelHead wrote:Does your compounding their lies with your own, make a truth?

Holland heard the question, parsed it as well as you or I, and lied expecting to not be called on it. Thinking the questioner would not know any better.

He lied and was caught at it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... E3Q0#t=47s
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Re: Why did Holland and Purdy lie...?

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ldsfaqs wrote:
Themis wrote:My understanding is that he was not acquitted, but was given leg bail. Lets face it. He was glass looking for money, which is why he was brought to court. That is the real issue anyways.


Read up and learn something:

http://en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smith/L ... king_trial


Maybe you should try and learn something before coming here. The point is Joseph did indeed glass look for money, whether you believe he could actually see treasures or not.
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Re: Why did Holland and Purdy lie...?

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Almost everything Holland said either contradicted his religion or his culture.

Can't expect much from somebody who's full of crap "This very Book that I hold in my hand..."

uh oh, Holland divulged temple secrets. Looks like he's going to Hell, says so according to Mormon Doctrine or rather according to Mormon History.
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Themis wrote:Maybe you should try and learn something before coming here. The point is Joseph did indeed glass look for money, whether you believe he could actually see treasures or not.


When did I EVER say he "didn't" glass look for money???

To me it's a PRO, not something against Joseph. A young boy starting to discover his prophetic powers, what else would he do if not treasure hunt??? Didn't YOU do that as a boy? I did growing up some in small towns.

Plus, he WAS successful. Just because sometimes he wasn't as successful, etc. doesn't somehow mean he was doing something wrong. Further, if you read the article, he wasn't even doing anything illegal.

It is YOU who need to "learn something". I'm a convert and an ex anti-mormon. I know a 1,000 times more than you concerning Mormonism.
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ldsfaqs wrote:It is YOU who need to "learn something". I'm a convert and an ex anti-mormon. I know a 1,000 times more than you concerning Mormonism.

:lol: *snort

Thanks for the laugh.
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Buffalo wrote:
Reporter asks Holland about Mitt Romney's temple oath: "He would have sworn an oath to say he would not pass on what happens in the temple lest he slit his throat. Is that true?"

Holland replies: "It's not true."


Holland's answer is known as 'lying'.
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ldsfaqs wrote:Plus, he WAS successful. Just because sometimes he wasn't as successful, etc. doesn't somehow mean he was doing something wrong. Further, if you read the article, he wasn't even doing anything illegal.



Do tell.... when did Joseph ever find any treasure with his seer stone? And how was the hunt for treasure in the house in Salem not illegal?
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Buffalo wrote:I suppose that's one way to think of it. Another take is that they lied, realized that you can't get away with lying to outsiders with a video camera, and wisely corrected themselves.

Some of the ex-mos were a little ridiculous, but the LDS church produces a lot of ridiculous people, inside and outside the faith.


I watched the interview on Sunday. Thanks to those who provided the link.

My reaction was mixed. I disagree with Subgenius' take on the mother crying about not seeing her daughter married in the temple, and having to wait outside. I think that her feelings were genuine. My daughter was married in the temple last summer. I thoroughly enjoyed being able to help her get dressed, etc. It would have killed me to have had to wait outside. We had an unusual situation with my daughter's wedding because her (now husband) had joined the Church the year prior. His parents were not members. We had a ring ceremony at a beautifully decorated clubhouse later that day, so that his parents could be a part of the day. They were really great. i think, however, it might have been harder on them had they been "giving away" a daughter rather than a son. There is just something about a wedding being the bride's day.

Sorry for the tangent. :redface:

That being said, it also looked to me like that interview was cut in order to make the Church look bad. Elder Holland seemed angry...beyond agitated. And, being a person who has had professional experience with film editing, it looked to me like the interviewer had agitated Holland off-camera, and then cut things together to make it look as if he was very calm while Holland was obviously not.
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Hi Liz, what's your view on why Holland lied?
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Drifting wrote:Hi Liz, what's your view on why Holland lied?

I don't think it was purposeful. It really looked to me like he was tripped up. I suspect that he had been goaded or agitated by the interviewer, and that footage either didn't make it to print...or...it was done off camera. If you take a look at that special, it really seems to me that there was some splicing done.
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