The "Adam-God Theory"

[_thews]

I have a hypothetical question for you Thews. What would you have thought if you lived in the days of Abraham and heard him say that Sarah was his sister when you knew already that she was his wife? Would you have thought also that he was a liar and a false prophet?

Is this some sort of parallel analogy I'm supposed to accept to outweigh all the hogwash you parade here in defense of the false claims by Joseph Smith?

[_gdemetz]

Of course, you don't have to answer, but I am still waiting for some evidence of Joseph "in the bed" with a married woman.

[_ludwigm]

What would you have thought if you lived in the days of Abraham ... ?

I would have thought: - Who can fix my broken ankle?

[_thews]

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thews,
If you had really received a testimony of the gospel by really speaking with God, it does not matter what any man (prophet or no) says. It only matters what God tells you. There are really basically two types of Mormons in the church today:
1) Mormons that have never seen or spoken with God.

You mean like Brigham Young? If Brigham Young and Adam God theory are wrong, then Brigham young is wrong and did not speak to God. Disagree? Please explain.

2) Mormons that have seen and spoken with God.
Group 1 is likely as not to eventually be ex-mormons. They really don't have a testimony of God. They never bothered to read and do what the Book of Mormon says to do. They are Mormon because they are pressured to, or "feel" it is right, or for a host of other reasons.

Humor me Tobin... I have been shocked by 400VAC and had an out-of-body experience. I know what it's like to see myself dead. Do I believe this actually happened... absolutely... I know this. Do I believe I saw myself dead? ...probably. I am not so lacking in critical thought that I discount the possibility of error. You claim to have conversed with/felt God... do you actually discount that you may have been wrong?

Group 2 are the "real" Mormons. They will never be impressed by anti/ex-mormon arguments.

What does "impressed" have to do with it? Joseph Smith was a bad human. If Joseph Smith lived next to you right now and started eying your 14 year old daughter, you'd threaten to kick his arse. Wake up dude... reality is not fiction.

They know there is a God because they've seen and spoken with him.

BS. You have not spoken to God. God does not speak to humans. This entire argument is whether or not YOU believe Brigham Young spoke to God, and if he did, the Adam-God is the truth. You can't have it both ways. It's either all true, or it's all false.

They recognize the flaws in the Church and understand that in time the Lord will correct things.

Read this sentence and understand your logic. You know there are flaws. The truth is there are flaws because it's false. You can't accept this, so you rationalization what isn't true with the distortion you've accepted to make it true. Wake up Tobin. Joseph Smith was into occult magic and those seer stones is where Mormon Doctrine comes from. Think for yourself... find the truth in facts an weigh them. This is what life is about in my opinion... the truth, and not what someone else tells me what the truth is.

Anything you might point out as character flaws in prophets, apostles, or members of the Church is simply you pointing out they are human beings and get things wrong from time-to-time. That is just life and you stating it over and over again is not impressive.

You are drunk on Mormon KoolAid Tobin. You can't even seek the truth out being scared for finding it. You can't seek truth in non-Mormon-approved websites because you're not supposed to. Who told you not to seek the truth? You? Did you decide this? Look here Tobin... weigh the facts: http://mormonthink.com/transbomweb.htm

Find one single thing wrong and I'll be glad to explain it to you. If you find comfort in dancing shadows then bask in ignorance of the truth. Are you scared? Seriously... can you be honestly objective?

[_Tobin]

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I find it is interesting that you took the time to drill into my comments like that since I never implied nor stated any of the things you asked about or stated. I stated there are 2 groups in the church, those that have seen God and those that haven't. You can deal with that reality however you wish. I'm in the group that has seen God and understand that prophets are merely men that may be inspired by God. If God inspires such men, God can let me know that. Otherwise, they are just stating their opinions.

[_Yoda]

What would you have thought if you lived in the days of Abraham ... ?

I would have thought: - Who can fix my broken ankle?

Ouch, Ludwigm!

When did this happen? I hope you are feeling better!

[_Drifting]

I have a hypothetical question for you Thews. What would you have thought if you lived in the days of Abraham and heard him say that Sarah was his sister when you knew already that she was his wife? Would you have thought also that he was a liar and a false prophet?

I will answer this even though it was asked of Thews...

Yes.
And when I heard that God had asked Abraham to murder his son Isaac and that he was going to do as commanded. I would've thought God was a seriously deranged individual and that Abraham was not only a bad Prophet but a spineless poor excuse of a parent.

[_Yoda]

I have a hypothetical question for you Thews. What would you have thought if you lived in the days of Abraham and heard him say that Sarah was his sister when you knew already that she was his wife? Would you have thought also that he was a liar and a false prophet?

I will answer this even though it was asked of Thews...

Yes.
And when I heard that God had asked Abraham to murder his son Isaac and that he was going to do as commanded. I would've thought God was a seriously deranged individual and that Abraham was not only a bad Prophet but a spineless poor excuse of a parent.

Refresh my memory on the historical reference for Abraham stating that Sarah was his sister. Didn't he do that in order to save both of their lives? Weren't they being chased or something, and that was the only way they could get away? Maybe I am mixing things up. I haven't had enough caffeine yet this morning. LOL

[_Drifting]

Refresh my memory on the historical reference for Abraham stating that Sarah was his sister. Didn't he do that in order to save both of their lives? Weren't they being chased or something, and that was the only way they could get away? Maybe I am mixing things up. I haven't had enough caffeine yet this morning. LOL

I know this is a question gdemetz should answer but I think it's in the Book of Abraham.

[_Yoda]

Refresh my memory on the historical reference for Abraham stating that Sarah was his sister. Didn't he do that in order to save both of their lives? Weren't they being chased or something, and that was the only way they could get away? Maybe I am mixing things up. I haven't had enough caffeine yet this morning. LOL

I know this is a question gdemetz should answer but I think it's in the Book of Abraham.

Thanks. I'll check it out later. I am signing off the board for a while. I have voice students coming.