John, did you ever do anything of a sexual nature to Rosebud without her consent, including anything that would also possibly be considered illegal in the state Rosebud was residing at the time?
Oh, and John, be a dove and tell us whether you were in the state Rosebud resided when you did said alleged act which was illegal in her state of residence. Inquiring minds and all that.
lol.
Can someone give me incentive to peel away? I know I've lost discipline judging by how much time I've spent learning about the Dehlin-Pfeffer affair.
“Every one of us is, in the cosmic perspective, precious. If a human disagrees with you, let him live. In a hundred billion galaxies, you will not find another.”
― Carl Sagan, Cosmos
Of course you're frustrated because you don't have the whole picture. I would be too. But I'm not at liberty to release more information than I have released, out of respect for Rosebud. There's a LOT. Stuff that makes both of them look bad, but that lays out a clear case for sexual harassment and abuse, in my opinion.
Over and over and over again the pattern is this: 1) serious allegation; 2) followed by, can't share all the proof; 3) followed by, Rosebud deserves privacy.
And yet, you and she keep pushing this story to the forefront of the collective exmo stage. This is a toxic pattern that serves nothing. Rosebud has done this SO MANY times now that the likelihood anyone is going to believe the majority of her claims is fast approaching zero. Not to mention the blackmail letter; that's the ultimate credibility killer. For her own health and well being, she needs to stop the circus. You enabling the circus to go on is just adding to the damage.
Over and over and over again the pattern is this: 1) serious allegation; 2) followed by, can't share all the proof; 3) followed by, Rosebud deserves privacy.
And yet, you and she keep pushing this story to the forefront of the collective exmo stage. This is a toxic pattern that serves nothing. Rosebud has done this SO MANY times now that the likelihood anyone is going to believe the majority of her claims is fast approaching zero. Not to mention the blackmail letter; that's the ultimate credibility killer. For her own health and well being, she needs to stop the circus. You enabling the circus to go on is just adding to the damage.
Yep. This is a nothing burger. For whatever reason. If it is for a technical reason, too bad, but it still is a nothing burger. James is here to defame John because he sees John as a hypocrite. Like many of us ex-LDS folk, James has a lot of growing up left to do. Rosebud is out to take her pound of flesh.
Dehlin, if you ever think of having an affair with an employee again, please let us know in advance so we can prepare for the deluge of feces you will have unleashed. And please ask yourself, "Is this really worth it? Was it the last time?"
I think we all agree that the answer to both questions is "Hell No!"
Yes, bro, please put up or shut up. This is really about jealousy and nothing more. JD is doing what rosebud cannot as far as podcasting. Big f&%# deal about the emotional relationship the two had. JD wouldn't leave his wife for rosebud and she needs to get over it and you should drop it too.
Nailed it.
Here is my running theory:
Rosebud is a ... troubled woman who was limited both by her Mormon culture and unfortunate events in the past. She is stuck in a loveless marriage. She gets involved in the Mormon Stories cause, and suddenly she is thrust into this thing that a small corner of the world deems to be very important. She throws herself into it, and she falls into a relationship with the alpha male of the pack, John Dehlin. She gets all of these ideas about how she and John will be a power couple doing Ted Talks and interviews for NYT, and then John, damn him, refuses to leave his wife for Rosebud.
She is furious, but her first play is to try to seduce him into bed, so that he will have crossed a line with his wife and won't be able to turn back. John holds firm, and he goes to the head of the Open Stories Foundation board to try to get everyone out of the pickle. This move infuriates Rosebud because she views John as her property at this point, and it is not Joanna's right to mess things up for her. So, Rosebud, having believed she was so close to the brass ring, sees her dream dissolving before her eyes.
She would be OK, and would live to fight another day, if only she had the access and position within the Open Stories Foundation that would allow a new longterm strategy to unfold. But the solution presented freezes her out of any role she could use for real leverage, and now she is totally SOL. That is when she levels the threats to achieve her original goal--to become a talking head activist celebrity--but now without John and rather on the grave of John's dead career. She has been pursuing that path ineptly ever since.
I've already stated that I think a comment made by Dehlin years ago would qualify now as sexual harassment within my institution. However, this is years later, apparently legal avenues have been exhausted, and continuing to pursue this here only damages the victim further. It's not fair, but what is to be gained from this?
Do you think if John did in fact violate Open Stories Foundation's sexual harassment policy that he/they should somehow acknowledge that and hold John accountable in some way?
Do you believe in holding people accountable at all?
Do you think if John did in fact violate Open Stories Foundation's sexual harassment policy that he/they should somehow acknowledge that and hold John accountable in some way?
Do you believe in holding people accountable at all?
I can assure you that Lem believes very strongly in holding people's feet to the fire when she believes they deserve it.
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