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[_Themis]

I have not changed my position concerning this. I gave a reference from Katheryn Daynes writings which detailed the six types of marriages during that time, which included the marriages for the afterlife only.

Did you. I must have missed it. I still don't see where you have shown that Joseph viewed the marrieges to married women differently, and we have at least one statement that says he had a child from it. That is one more then you have shown.

You guys are determined that Joseph had sex in these marriages, but you don't show any real proof!

We have shown evidence, something we have not seen you present for your assertion that he viewed these marriages differently or for the next life only. BY obviously didn't, and didn't even need to marry Zina considering she already had married two other people, but then BY had some wild ideas you don't see today.

Don't you think it strange that he never had any children from all this?!?

Not all of them have been tested, including Sylvia's daughter's line. It's interesting you have avioded how she only said to one child she was Joseph's daughter. AS to the others, I have already brought up that Joseph married most late in his short life, and with so many, sexual intercourse would have been limited(especially to the married ones), and he was busy running his religion and hiding from Law enforcement. I also said that abortion has been suggested by Sarah Pratt. So no it is not strange. I think when one is open minded and learns about what was going on it will be hard for them to conclude God was part of it, although for me it was things like the Book of Abraham, Book of Mormon, DNA, Zelph, etc that showed sufficient evidence that Joseph was making it up.

As far as Brigham Young's marriage to Zina is concerned, I previously stated that it was for time only, meaning for this life, so, of course, he would have children with her. I will provide you with the Brigham Young quote in a following message since I don't remember it all now.

No one is arguing that BY did not marry Zina for this life only, but then she already had a husband for that. What you don't show is that Joseph or BY for that matter thought that marriages to married women were only for the next life. Even your quote below does not deal with it, only a justification for how BY can get other women, although it was not by BY.

Here is an interesting quote

Brigham Young spoke in this wise, in the hearing of hundreds: He said it was time for men who were walking in other men's shoes to step out of them. "Brother Jacobs," he says, "the woman you claim for a wife does not belong to you. She is the spiritual wife of brother Joseph, sealed up to him. I am his proxy, and she, in this behalf, with her children, are my property. You can go where you please, and get another, but be sure to get one of your own kindred spirit."[

What a bastard BY was. He also indicates that he is proxy for Joseph. Opps, I guess this doesn't support your assertion either.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zina_D._H._Young

[_Drifting]

I have not changed my position concerning this. I gave a reference from Katheryn Daynes writings which detailed the six types of marriages during that time, which included the marriages for the afterlife only. You guys are determined that Joseph had sex in these marriages, but you don't show any real proof!

Exhibit A: D&C 132
In this holy scripture Joseph is commanded to live polygamously specifically to have sex with his multiple wives...I mean...multiply and replenish the earth.

If Joseph didn't have sex then you are forced to accept that Joseph disobeyed God and is therefore a fallen Prophet.

[_gdemetz]

We are beating a dead horse here. If you will check out the reference gave you, it will explain in detail concerning the marriages for the next life only, and in particular to Joseph Smith's marriages. And, I reaffirm my prior statement that he had no sex and no children from these marriages. I already explained the deathbed statement from mother to daughter that the daughter belonged to Joseph Smith. Do you have proof that she meant that she was the physical daughter of Joseph Smith as opposed to being the SEALED daughter to him? There is absolutely no DNA evidence to show anything other than what I have said. Do you have proof that Zina had sex with her husband after she was married to Brigham Young and started top have children with him? If she did, then according to the statement I quoted from Brigham Young, she committed a grievous sin.

[_ludwigm]

If you will check out the reference gave you, it will explain in detail concerning the marriages for the next life only, and in particular to Joseph Smith's marriages.

Do You say that Your references are better than D&C 132?
Are Your references scriptures? (official, published etc.)

61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.
62 And if he have ten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.
63 But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; ...

There is no word about next life! Or did You find one?

And, I reaffirm my prior statement that he had no sex

So he was against God's commandment?

63 (continued) ...for they are given unto him to multiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment,

[_Drifting]

We are beating a dead horse here. If you will check out the reference gave you, it will explain in detail concerning the marriages for the next life only, and in particular to Joseph Smith's marriages. And, I reaffirm my prior statement that he had no sex and no children from these marriages. I already explained the deathbed statement from mother to daughter that the daughter belonged to Joseph Smith. Do you have proof that she meant that she was the physical daughter of Joseph Smith as opposed to being the SEALED daughter to him? There is absolutely no DNA evidence to show anything other than what I have said. Do you have proof that Zina had sex with her husband after she was married to Brigham Young and started top have children with him? If she did, then according to the statement I quoted from Brigham Young, she committed a grievous sin.

Thanks for confirming that you believe Joseph received a commandment directly from God and thereafter decided to deliberately disobey it.

[_gdemetz]

I'm not saying that! Joseph did receive a commandment to practice polygamy for this life, and he obeyed it by having more than one wife that he did live with, and he did father a few children.

[_Drifting]

I'm not saying that! Joseph did receive a commandment to practice polygamy for this life, and he obeyed it by having more than one wife that he did live with, and he did father a few children.

No, D&C 132 is stating explicitly that Joseph received a commandment to practice polygamy for the sole purpose of replenishing the earth.

Either D&C 132 is wrong, or you are...hmmm...

[_gdemetz]

I think you are misinterpreting that, but even if you take that and apply it to all of the marriages, it would still be for replenishing the earth because that will still be done during the millennium when they will all be his wives. In fact, even after the millennium when the earth is celestialized, he will still be replenishing it.

[_Drifting]

I think you are misinterpreting that, but even if you take that and apply it to all of the marriages, it would still be for replenishing the earth because that will still be done during the millennium when they will all be his wives. In fact, even after the millennium when the earth is celestialized, he will still be replenishing it.

[_ludwigm]

I think you are misinterpreting that, but even if you take that and apply it to all of the marriages, it would still be for replenishing the earth because that will still be done during the millennium when they will all be his wives. In fact, even after the millennium when the earth is celestialized, he will still be replenishing it.

1.
millennium [Lat.,=1,000 years], the period of 1,000 years in which, according to some schools of Christian eschatology, Christ will reign again gloriously on earth. Belief in the millennium, based on Rev. 20, has recurred in Christianity since the earliest times. Today it is held and taught by the Adventists and some other conservative evangelical bodies.

2.
The period of a thousand years when the lid is to be screwed down, with all reformers on the under side.

3. When does it start, when does it ends?


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