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Is Heavenly Mother Official doctrine?

Is it official doctrine that resurrected and exalted women, with bodies of flesh and bone, literally conceive, carry and give birth to spirit children (who have bodies of spirit)?
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Hmmm, I'm not sure that we teach that. I know we don't emphasize that.
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just me wrote:Hmmm, I'm not sure that we teach that. I know we don't emphasize that.

Sounds like something President Hincley once said.

But is it official doctrine?
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Yes, it's in the family proclamation. It is also something that has been taught by the prophets previously. In fact, Brigham Young taught that Heavenly Father had more than one wife.
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Search in scriptures gives this answer:
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Global search for "Heavenly Mother" gives 15 results:

General Conference : 4
- 1978, 1978, 1986, 1987

Magazines : 8 (4 of them are the conference issue)
None of them younger than 1987

Manuals : 3
- Primary 2: Choose the Right A
- A Parent’s Guide
- The Latter-day Saint Woman: Basic Manual for Women, Part A (only cites Kimball from 1973)

Apparently the Correlation Committee only skimmed the manuals...

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The global search has side note:
Recommended Results
- The Family: A Proclamation to the World
- Official Statement - Daughters of God - Gordon B. Hinckley, October 1991 General Conference

What does Recommended Result mean? It is not really a result, and we should get it as if it were?

In the Hinckley talk no h. mother, no h. parents, there is h. father only.
The Proclamation says heavenly parents only, not mother explicitly.

As usual, gdemetz should know better: "Yes, it's in the family proclamation."
Sorry, it is not.
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inquiringmind wrote:Is Heavenly Mother Official doctrine?
Is it official doctrine that resurrected and exalted women, with bodies of flesh and bone, literally conceive, carry and give birth to spirit children (who have bodies of spirit)?
It is taught. Mormons just don't understand it. If you enter the Celestial Kingdom, you will help organize spirit children. Those spirit children will in turn have physical bodies as we do and come to a world organized by God. So, of course we teach there is a heavenly father and heavenly mother. Our heavenly father and mother were celestial beings that organized our spiritual bodies. However, God the Father was not our father. Jesus Christ is the only begotten of God the Father, so we don't have a Heavenly Mother in that sense and that is why what you are asking about is not taught.
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Tobin wrote:
inquiringmind wrote:Is Heavenly Mother Official doctrine?
Is it official doctrine that resurrected and exalted women, with bodies of flesh and bone, literally conceive, carry and give birth to spirit children (who have bodies of spirit)?
It is taught.



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Aside for the obvious, and without argument, fundamental LDS doctrine that the spirits or souls of individual human beings are NOT created ex nihilo, and that we are "children" of God, and the LDS doctrine of theosis..... we have the following:

"All human beings—male and female—are created in the image of God. Each is a beloved spirit son or daughter of heavenly parents"
- The Family, a Proclamation to the World (emphasis mine)

From Chapter 2 of Gospel Principles manual:
“Man, as a spirit, was begotten and born of heavenly parents, and reared to maturity in the eternal mansions of the Father, prior to coming upon the earth in a temporal [physical] body” (Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph F. Smith [1998], 335).
http://www.LDS.org/manual/gospel-princi ... y?lang=eng (emphasis mine)

The Juvenile Instructor, XXIX, No. 8 (April 15, 1894): 263 - Hymn title - "Our Mother in Heaven"
(an official church publication)

"I tell you, when you see your Father in the Heavens, you will see Adam; when you see your Mother that bore your spirit, you will see Mother Eve."
Brigham Young
http://www.scribd.com/doc/86490565/Brig ... -Discourse

From church hymn #292 verse 3:
"In the heav'ns are parents single? No, the thought makes reason stare! Truth is reason; truth eternal Tells me I've a mother there. When I leave this frail existence, When I lay this mortal by, Father, Mother, may I meet you In your royal courts on high?"
http://www.LDS.org/churchmusic/detailmu ... seqend=ZZZ
(emphasis mine)

Logic and reason would certainly suggest that if we have a Father in Heaven, we have a Mother in Heaven. That doctrine rests well with me. However, in light of the instruction we have received from the Lord Himself, I regard it as inappropriate for anyone in the Church to pray to our Mother in Heaven...The fact that we do not pray to our Mother in Heaven in no way belittles or denigrates her...none of us can add to or diminish the glory of her of whom we have no revealed knowledge.
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Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty
I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them
what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams
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Re: Heavenly Mother

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ludwigm wrote:...
Sorry, it is not.

Sorry, but it is....and elsewhere....
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