Buffalo wrote:There seem to be two contradictory gospel theories on the origins of our spirits. One is that we were organized from raw "intelligences" into spirits by God, and another that we were pumped out by a Heavenly Mother. Which is it, do you suppose?
We were organized from intelligence into spirit bodies by our celestial parents (our heavenly father and mother). Where the antis/exs/TBMs go wrong are: 1) That intelligences have to be conceived and "birthed". There is no reason to believe that. 2) That our heavenly father and mother are God and that trillions of intelligences are conceived and birthed by only them (just pointing out how ridiculous this gets). Again, Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of God and the whole concept that God conceived our spirts alone is ludicrous. In fact, this is one of the roles of the celestial beings and organizing intelligences into spirit children is a blessing they receive.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Tobin wrote:2) That our heavenly father and mother are God and that trillions of intelligences are conceived and birthed by only them (just pointing out how ridiculous this gets). Again, Jesus Christ is the only begotten son of God and the whole concept that God conceived our spirts alone is ludicrous. In fact, this is one of the roles of the celestial beings and organizing intelligences into spirit children is a blessing they receive.
Yet you keep avoiding how you know this. Too funny
subgenius wrote:I assume you consider modern day artificial insemination to be "cheating" if the sperm donor was a married man, married to a woman other than the recipient?....or does the idea that since mankind has been able to conceive children without "having sex" exclude that ability from God?
No, I accept that artificial insemination is a method available to God. Of course that also means that, at some point that God masturbated...
(you didn't really think your position through did you?)
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Buffalo wrote:There seem to be two contradictory gospel theories on the origins of our spirits. One is that we were organized from raw "intelligences" into spirits by God, and another that we were pumped out by a Heavenly Mother. Which is it, do you suppose?
CFR
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Drifting wrote:No, I accept that artificial insemination is a method available to God. Of course that also means that, at some point that God masturbated...
(you didn't really think your position through did you?)
You do not even have a position, let alone one that was thought through.
1. Like i said before, the perverted tend to focus on one thing. 2. Artificial insemination does not exclusively require masturbation. 3. The point, which you missed, about artificial insemination, is that there is more than one way to skin the cat.
so, yes, i thought it through...sorry if that puts you at a distinct disadvantage.
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Yes we teach that she exists, but we aren't supposed to talk about her, because Heavenly Father is a polygamist; therefore, we don't all have the same one...we wouldn't know which one to worship.
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Drifting wrote:No, I accept that artificial insemination is a method available to God. Of course that also means that, at some point that God masturbated...
(you didn't really think your position through did you?)
You do not even have a position, let alone one that was thought through.
1. Like i said before, the perverted tend to focus on one thing. 2. Artificial insemination does not exclusively require masturbation. 3. The point, which you missed, about artificial insemination, is that there is more than one way to skin the cat.
so, yes, i thought it through...sorry if that puts you at a distinct disadvantage.
Subgenius, assuming you are not a masturbater, how would a female get a hold of your sperm for artificial insemination?
(forgive my ignorance but I prefer the natural method so I'm unfamiliar with lustless child production method)
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
subgenius wrote:I assume you consider modern day artificial insemination to be "cheating" if the sperm donor was a married man, married to a woman other than the recipient?....or does the idea that since mankind has been able to conceive children without "having sex" exclude that ability from God?
No, I accept that artificial insemination is a method available to God. Of course that also means that, at some point that God masturbated...
(you didn't really think your position through did you?)
Epic LOL
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Drifting wrote: Subgenius, assuming you are not a masturbater, how would a female get a hold of your sperm for artificial insemination?
your assumption that sperm is necessary for divine conception is not yet proven by you. Surely if we concede that Jesus was begotten of God, and that His presence on earth was not merely in a mortal capacity...as would be supported by the divine actions performed. There is no reason to consider Christ's body to have been a typical product of simple gamete combination....in fact when one reads in the scriptures, that His "heel was bruised" - this concludes that His not-so-mortal body was what had been walking around. Your reasoning is not complete on this topic and it shows....
(forgive my ignorance but I prefer the natural method so I'm unfamiliar with lustless child production method)
Lol...like i would assume that you know anything about either, but i do respect you as a likely authority on masturbation.
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent
Drifting wrote: Subgenius, assuming you are not a masturbater, how would a female get a hold of your sperm for artificial insemination?
your assumption that sperm is necessary for divine conception is not yet proven by you. Surely if we concede that Jesus was begotten of God, and that His presence on earth was not merely in a mortal capacity...as would be supported by the divine actions performed. There is no reason to consider Christ's body to have been a typical product of simple gamete combination....in fact when one reads in the scriptures, that His "heel was bruised" - this concludes that His not-so-mortal body was what had been walking around. Your reasoning is not complete on this topic and it shows....
(forgive my ignorance but I prefer the natural method so I'm unfamiliar with lustless child production method)
Lol...like i would assume that you know anything about either, but i do respect you as a likely authority on masturbation.
I've got to hand it to you, I didn't think you'd try and palm me off so ineptly...
So, your contention (despite what Prophets have said) is that Mary got pregnant and gave birth but that process didn't involve Gods sperm.
Does God have sperm?
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator