Heavenly Mother

[_gdemetz]

It is in the family proclamation! It refers to heavenly parents, obviously referring to Heavenly Father and a Heavenly Mother. Also, out of all the mass seas of intelligences throughout the universe. Dr. Skousen explains that it is only an infinitesimal fraction of one percent of these that are actually born to a Heavenly Mother as a spirit child. They are judged and born, apparently according to their order of progression. In addition, according to Mormon Doctrine, their are no births that don't involve a natural sexual process. Also, as I previously stated, James Talmadge suggests that Heavenly Father MAY have "sealed" Mary to Himself!

[_Tobin]

It is in the family proclamation! It refers to heavenly parents, obviously referring to Heavenly Father and a Heavenly Mother. Also, out of all the mass seas of intelligences throughout the universe. Dr. Skousen explains that it is only an infinitesimal fraction of one percent of these that are actually born to a Heavenly Mother as a spirit child. They are judged and born, apparently according to their order of progression. In addition, according to Mormon Doctrine, their are no births that don't involve a natural sexual process. Also, as I previously stated, James Talmadge suggests that Heavenly Father MAY have "sealed" Mary to Himself!

Even 1% of infinity (or a very large number) is a VERY LARGE NUMBER. It is laughable to think Heavenly Mother(s) would endure a 9 month birthing process for trillions, billions, or millions of spirit babies. The image of God and his harem (let's suppose he has a LARGE harem) of wives eternally pregnant is an utterly appalling image. The thought that Mary had to be "sealed" to God and also join the harem (and have intercourse with God) is precisely what the critics of Mormonism have picked up on. It is a very nasty false doctrine and something the Church is slowly moving away from because even taking a moment to think about it engenders so much disgust and ridicule for the Church. Sure, we'll always have members that embrace terrible teachings like this, but that can't be helped.

[_gdemetz]

You are making a lot of assumptions of which you have no idea. I states that it was only an infinitesimal fraction of one percent. The scriptures also state that the spirits are innumerable. Do you know exactly how many? Do you know how many wives Heavenly Father has? Do you know how long this has been going on? Of course, you don't.

[_Tobin]

You are making a lot of assumptions of which you have no idea. I states that it was only an infinitesimal fraction of one percent. The scriptures also state that the spirits are innumerable. Do you know exactly how many? Do you know how many wives Heavenly Father has? Do you know how long this has been going on? Of course, you don't.

You are welcome to your opinion. The scriptures don't agree with you and neither do I. I find the belief utterly repugnant and am disappointed that some Mormons still teach it. It is truly an awful false doctrine that will eventually die. It certainly has nothing to do with the truth or Mormonism (other than misguided Mormons teach it).

[_gdemetz]

You are wrong. The scriptures and the prophets do teach that. "Worlds without number," I believe is one quote from the Book of Moses. These teachings will never die since they are well documented prophetic statements.

[_Drifting]

You are making a lot of assumptions of which you have no idea. I states that it was only an infinitesimal fraction of one percent. The scriptures also state that the spirits are innumerable. Do you know exactly how many? Do you know how many wives Heavenly Father has? Do you know how long this has been going on? Of course, you don't.

At Church this week, if you are asked to say a prayer. Within it express your gratitude for all the Heavenly Mothers that God is married to. Let us know how that goes...

[_Tobin]

You are wrong. The scriptures and the prophets do teach that. "Worlds without number," I believe is one quote from the Book of Moses. These teachings will never die since they are well documented prophetic statements.

You don't understand them then. Spirit children are formed by Celestial beings or celestial parents if you will. These worlds are prepared by God to receive these spirit children. God does not personally form these spirit children. They are organized under God's direction by those Celestial beings that have been exalted before by God. Only the savior of each world is the only "begotten" of God and follows God's example and each savior in turn saves these worlds. The problem is that you don't fully understand exaltation, who Jesus is (and what only "begotten" truly means) and how those that are saved and exalted are part of this plan and function within it. You just assume that God must personally form (through birthing) all these children and nothing could be further from the truth.

[_gdemetz]

Read the Book of Moses carefully. It states that all those are begotten Sons and daughters of God. This, of course, refers to our universe.

[_Drifting]

Read the Book of Moses carefully. It states that all those are begotten Sons and daughters of God. This, of course, refers to our universe.

Where did God get all His wives from?
[ ] He created them
[ ] They are His daughters
[ ] They are the daughters of some other God

[_gdemetz]

I gave the wrong reference earlier. The reference I meant to give was D&C 76:24 which states that the inhabitants of all the worlds are begotten sons and daughters of God. Actually, it was done the same way that we are able to become like God. Remember the teaching: "As man is, God once was, and as God is, man may become." He was once a mortal as we are, and He and His wives became exalted beings through their faithfulness in keeping the commandments which they were given by their Heavenly Father.