Glass & Steel in the Book of Mormon, why a problem?

[_Drifting]

I know I did!

In which case you will identify the book and the author.

A book called 'Science and Mormonism' doesn't appear to exist!

[_gdemetz]

I will try to find out. I know that the title was, "Science and Mormonism."

[_Bond James Bond]

Read the writings of Dr. E. Silvestru. He is just one of many scientists who point to evidence of a great flood, and by the way, this was before the times of the pharaohs.

The Egyptians themselves kept records of birth and death of their pharaohs. They all lived normal life spans, quite unlike the key names of the Bible from Adam to Noah. You've got Adam, living 930 years, Seth to 912, Enosh 905, Kenan 910, Mahalalel 895, Jared 962, Lamech 777, Methusaleh living to the ripe old age of 969, which according to some, means that he lived right through the flood. That brings the flood in at 1656-8 after Adam first arrived on the scene. If you count using the Septuagint calendar, the flood comes at 2262 after Adam. Following the flood Noah lives to the age of 950. Most of these guys didn't get around to having any kids until they were a couple of hundred years old. The flood either happened at 1656 AM (Masoretic calendar), 2262 AM (Alexandrinus calendar), 2242 AM (Vaticanus calendar), 1307 AM (Samaritan Calendar) You pick! These same calendars have the time period between the flood and birth of Abraham at 292 years (Masoretic), 1072 years (Alexandrinus), 1172 years (Vaticanus), or 942 years (Samaritan). You pick!

But the calendars finally get together and date history from Abraham relatively equally saying he was born 1976 BCE (Gen. 11:26, if you're keeping track)

That puts the flood anywhere from 2268 BCE to 3148 BCE. Boy, am I ever looking forward to someone finding Noah's ark so we can carbon date the wood and get this all straightened out.

Meanwhile, in Egypt, the pharaohs from the pre-dynastic periods Scorpion I and II and Ka from around 3200 BCE meld into the first dynasty pharaohs of Menes 3080 BCE. From then on the record follows each of the pharaohs through Aha, Djer, Djet, Meretneith, Den, Anedjib, Semerkhet, Qa'a to 2860 BCE. Each pharaoh ruled for 10 or twenty years, with one apparently ruling 50 years but definitely nothing like the Judean prophets of nearly a thousand years.

The second dynasty goes from 2860 to 2727 BCE with Hotepsekhemwi (23 years), Nebra (10 years), Ninetjer (44 years), Weneg (3 years), Senedj (10 years), Sekhemib (26 years), Khasekhemwi (27 years). That brings us up to 2727 BCE. There follows a period where the dates are unsure because each new pharaoh starts the calendar over again with the year one. And apparently with no clear cut leader or maybe a time of disorder, no body keeps count. So we jump to 2686.

Still well within the framework of possible years for the flood we continue with Sanakhte (18 years), Djoser (19 years), Sekhemkhet (6 years), Khaba (6 years), Huni (24 years). That takes us to 2613 BCE and into the 4th dynasty.

Now things get interesting. We had Djoser in the last group, who built one of the earliest pyramids at Saqqara, sometime during his reign between 2630-2611 BCE and we have the most famous pyramids at Giza for Khufu (a.k.a. Cheops) 2589-2566 BCE. These dates, unlike the Bible dates, can be and have been confirmed by numerous scholars. Sneferu reigned between 2613-2589 (24 years). Khufu 2589-2566 (23 years), Djedefra 2566-2558 (8 years), Khafre (a.k.a. Chefren) 2558-2532 (26 years), Menkaure (a.k.a. Mykerinos) 2532-2504 (28 years) and Shepseskaf 2504-2500 (4 years).

If you're going to use the most common calendar of events for Biblical stories, the Masoretic calendar, which puts Adam birth at 3924 BCE, then you have pyramids standing long before the flood, at 2295 BCE. So somehow the people of Egypt built huge pyramids, then got wiped out by the flood and then went right back to building pyramids after the flood. To date 118 pyramids have been discovered in Egypt.

Isn't it strange that while the Egyptian rulers only lived about 40 to 70 years of age, the Judean prophets were living 900+ years?? Too bad nobody can confirm in any way the ages of those old prophets, other than from the stories written about them a thousand years after they had died. Is it anyway possible that in the story telling somebody streeeeetched the truth about the number of years these old guys lived?

Greatness here.

[_Bond James Bond]

Themis, there are many accounts in many different civilizations concerning a great flood...

"Great" doesn't equal "Global". No one critical of the "global flood" hypothesis will dispute "great" floods happening in Mesopotamia or the Nile River Valley because they indeed did happen. In those cases the flood was localized to one small river valley region.

[_gdemetz]

Yes, me too, but I heard some years back that was an expedition to a mountain in turkey following the report of a Russian pilot who spotted something there, and many were saying that that was the ark? Does anyone know anything about that?

[_Drifting]

Yes, me too, but I heard some years back that was an expedition to a mountain in turkey following the report of a Russian pilot who spotted something there, and many were saying that that was the ark? Does anyone know anything about that?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... n-culture/

[_Bond James Bond]

Yes, me too, but I heard some years back that was an expedition to a mountain in turkey following the report of a Russian pilot who spotted something there, and many were saying that that was the ark? Does anyone know anything about that?

This:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... n-culture/

Money quote in my opinion: "'I don't know of any expedition that ever went looking for the ark and didn't find it,' said Paul Zimansky, an archaeologist specializing in the Middle East at Stony Brook University in New York State."

[_Bond James Bond]

Great minds google alike.

[_gdemetz]

I will check that site out as well as others.

[_ludwigm]

Fortunately, all important relic of christianity was found.

For example John the Baptist's heads.
They can be visit (all the nine) in different cathedrals and monasteries.

Don't believe wikipedia, if it says only seven. Line upon line, line upon line; here a little, there a little, atheists take up all important position...

by the way After all, Noah's ark can rebuild from the splinters of Christ's cross, guarded around the world - in case the ark was gone goose.