Glass & Steel in the Book of Mormon, why a problem?

[_Themis]

This:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... n-culture/

Money quote in my opinion: "'I don't know of any expedition that ever went looking for the ark and didn't find it,' said Paul Zimansky, an archaeologist specializing in the Middle East at Stony Brook University in New York State."

LOL Unfortunately we see what we want to see.

[_Themis]

Yes, I have read some Henke writings. I also read a book once that I found interesting which was written by a Mormon scientist (forgot his name), entitled, "Science and Mormonism." He also put forth opinions which differ from what you guys have stated.

You need to start looking for those who don't hold your views. This demonstrates more of a willingness to be open minded. Most LDS scientists do not. Try BYU if you like.

[_gdemetz]

Yes, I try to read just about anything relating to theology. It is apparent, from what I have read, the the supposed ark discovered which I previously mentioned, is not Noah's ark. However, in relation to this, perhaps, you will find the writings of Dr. David Livingston interesting in regards to the flood and Egyptology.

[_Drifting]

Yes, I try to read just about anything relating to theology. It is apparent, from what I have read, the the supposed ark discovered which I previously mentioned, is not Noah's ark.

However, in relation to this, perhaps, you will find the writings of Dr. David Livingston interesting in regards to the flood and Egyptology.

You resist the abundance of actual evidence in favour of a clung to belief based on something someone wrote down thousands of years ago about an event that supposedly happened thousands of years earlier than they were alive.

It's like you writing an account of what happened to Santa Claus the day Jesus was born and somebody in two thousand years time reading it and treating it as historical fact.

[_bcuzbcuz]

Yes, me too, but I heard some years back that was an expedition to a mountain in turkey following the report of a Russian pilot who spotted something there, and many were saying that that was the ark? Does anyone know anything about that?

If something, anything, had been found that answered a question that stands as thorn in the side for Christianity, Judaism and Islam and of course, Mormonism, the news would be broadcast all over the world. If you have to find some obscure site on the internet that mumbles about one thing or another having MAYBE significance about Noah's ark, you can know that nothing has been found.

If any wood from the ark (or the cross of Jesus, for that matter) has been found, a simple carbon 14 test would confirm it's age.

No news, is bad news.

[_Drifting]

No news, is bad news.

No news, is the only news...

[_bcuzbcuz]

Yes, I try to read just about anything relating to theology. It is apparent, from what I have read, the the supposed ark discovered which I previously mentioned, is not Noah's ark. However, in relation to this, perhaps, you will find the writings of Dr. David Livingston interesting in regards to the flood and Egyptology.

Do you mean Dr. David Livingstone who was the first European who discovered Victoia Falls? The Dr. David Livingston who died 1873?

Or do you mean Dr. David Livingston who runs http://www.thespaceshow.com/ who earned his BA from the University of Arizona, an MBA in International Business Management from Golden Gate University in San Francisco, and his doctorate in business administration (DBA) at Golden Gate? His doctoral dissertation was titled Outer Space Commerce: Its History and Prospects.

Or do you mean Dr. David Livinston, sex offender, who more than twenty years ago, a New York OB/GYN Dr. David Livingston was indicted on charges of first-degree rape, sodomy and sexual abuse involving his 15-year-old stepdaughter? Eventually he was only charged with a misdemeanor and could not continue practicing in New York while also denied practicing in Connecticut and Massachusetts.

Read more: http://spotlight.vitals.com/2010/02/dr- ... z1sTxLwCGn

Or do you mean David Livingston who produced various Star Trek episodes?

Or do you mean Dr. David Palmer Livingston Jr. who got his PhD from Andrews Univeristy, a Seventh Day Adventist University, that does not list Livingston as one of their Notable Alumni?

[_Themis]

Yes, I try to read just about anything relating to theology. It is apparent, from what I have read, the the supposed ark discovered which I previously mentioned, is not Noah's ark. However, in relation to this, perhaps, you will find the writings of Dr. David Livingston interesting in regards to the flood and Egyptology.

Don't limit yourself to theology. This is probably why you are very ignorant of science. Try reading or studying geology from the scientific community. Learn why they think the world is billions of years old. How fossils are formed, and all the other processes of geology. Try learning the different dating methods from thw scientists who use them to see why they use them and consider them accurate, and how they try to make sure the dates are as accurate as possible. Like I said earlier talk to professors in some of the hard sciences like geology, biology, physics, chemistry that are active LDS and see what they think of a global flood or young earth. You might be a little less biased to talk to them. And don't just try to find the few who you think will hold your views, but the many more that don't to see why they don't.

[_bcuzbcuz]

Yes, I try to read just about anything relating to theology. It is apparent, from what I have read, the the supposed ark discovered which I previously mentioned, is not Noah's ark. However, in relation to this, perhaps, you will find the writings of Dr. David Livingston interesting in regards to the flood and Egyptology.

I finally googled to Livingston and read his ideas regarding Egyptology. He says outright that anything prior to 3000 BCE in Egypt is impossible, therefore wrong. He also states that he set out to prove the Bible true. He was involved in the ARCimaging group that went to Turkey to look for Noah's arc. They claimed to have hundreds of artifacts but I can find none referenced or photographed.

His claim that that rain and river deltas are all events that are only post-flood lacks anything close to proof.

[_gdemetz]

He makes a good point that your flavor of scientists accept the Egyptian account, but reject the Hebrew account.