gdemetz wrote:You have an interesting interpretation of those scriptures FrankTalk. It's not how most theologians interpret it, or the church, but it is interesting. What do you think of the JST of Revelation 12:6 (12:5 of the JST)?
Might I suggest you stop looking for man for answers about God and ask directly. You may have to wait. I have waited as long as a year for answers.
I have not been able to look up the JST yet but I will.
How do you think the church interprets Romans 10 and 11?
When I read scriptures I reread each verse as many times as necessary to fully understand it. I recheck who is being talked about. I recheck the subject on each verse. Then I look for implied meaning. Then I look for what is not said. Each verse must be in harmony with all the others around it. If not then reread it again and again. If I hit a wall then let it go and come back later. Pray about the subject. Then look up other passages that talk about the same subject. It took me over a month to get through Romans 10 and 11.
Yes FrankTalk, I have done that. The most spiritual experience, of the few I've had in my life, is when I was working on my commentary for the Book of Revelation. I will have to get back to you on those scriptures from Romans.
gdemetz wrote:Yes FrankTalk, I have done that. The most spiritual experience, of the few I've had in my life, is when I was working on my commentary for the Book of Revelation. I will have to get back to you on those scriptures from Romans.
I have had many experiences but I will tell you that most were telling me I was going the right direction not that I was thinking the right truth. To uncover truth from scripture is hard work. At least for me it is. Just to read Revelation is a blessing so be careful about that good feeling one gets while reading it. Many people feel great about their views on Revelation but many are different yet there is but one truth. Even though in my view I believe I don't think I have it all right and I accept that I could be all wrong. Any interpretation must take into account all of scripture and all must be consistent.
I looked the JST. There are two times that the Jews flee from Jerusalem. One has already taken place. This is when the converted Jews left Jerusalem when it was surrounded by the Romans armies in 70 AD. The second time will be at the midpoint of the Tribulation and the start of the Great Tribulation. This is a period of 3 1/2 years. But scripture does not say when they come back to Jerusalem. If the 1260 years is correct then the Jews stay in Petra for 1260 years. This means they stay there through the Millennium and beyond. I don't see how this changes anything. But the original reading would have them in Petra just for the 3 1/2 years.
Just a FYI. The Book of Revelation was written in code and symbolism on purpose. It is meant to be read as such and those that speak in certainty and concrete terms as far as future events including times and dates of when certain events will occur should not be trusted. That is not what God intended; otherwise, he would have spoken in unambiguous language as he did to the Brother of Jared (and his words were sealed).
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
The 42 months, the times, time and one half, as well as the 1260 days spoken of in the 12th chapter of Revelation all refer to the same period of apostasy which in the JST is shown as 1260 years. I am very certain about the 13th chapter of Revelation and the experience which I had, especially since I also received a burning confirmation again which I saw that my revelation was confirmed by that obscure reference in "Mormon Doctrine." This experience was an absolute "no doubter." You can read it again if you like. My prior posts are on page 7 of this topic.
gdemetz wrote:The 42 months, the times, time and one half, as well as the 1260 days spoken of in the 12th chapter of Revelation all refer to the same period of apostasy which in the JST is shown as 1260 years. I am very certain about the 13th chapter of Revelation and the experience which I had, especially since I also received a burning confirmation again which I saw that my revelation was confirmed by that obscure reference in "Mormon Doctrine." This experience was an absolute "no doubter." You can read it again if you like. My prior posts are on page 7 of this topic.
I'm sure you feel what occurred is true. However, feelings can never be trusted. You might have just had heartburn (or food poisoning). If the Lord showed you the future events and had you write them down the description in plain language, then I'd be interested. As far as I believe, the Lord doesn't work through feelings and obscure references that are open to interpretation. For example, Joseph Smith saw God, saw angels, and possessed Gold plates. These were real events and definitive and not feelings and obscure references.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
gdemetz wrote: I also received a burning confirmation
May I ask for firemen record?
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco - To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
gdemetz wrote:Wrong again. "Did not our hearts burn within us?" Luke 24:32
Ummm, you don't understand the scriptures very well. Luke 24:32 does not pertain to how revelation was received and you are abusing the context in which it was used. In Luke, they are speaking about seeing Jesus. Did you see God (Jesus in this case)? My guess is no. And clearly, they did not repeat teaching this as doctrine in other parts of the New Testament. In fact, in the Old Testament Jeremiah states, “The heart is deceitful above all things, and is desperately wicked: who can know it?” (Jeremiah 17:9) All other occurances when the Holy Ghost appears, it is made manifest to everyone that is present through the gifts of the Spirit (such as on the day of Pentecost).
So unless you saw God and he revealed the future to you, or I experience the gifts of the Spirit; your experience has no basis in scripture and should not be believed.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
