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Re: Heavenly Mother

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Tobin wrote:95% of humanity really believe in a supreme being.


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Re: Heavenly Mother

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Drifting wrote:When Paul H Dunn told his war stories (I sat next to him on the stand on one occassion where he spoke) and the spirit testified of his words (lies) to virtually every member of the congregation. What was its role?

Please, re-post - incoherent at best.
1. You sitting next to Dunn seems superfluous, or as an appeal to authority, or at best...anecdotal...nevertheless...seemingly irrelevant.
2. clarify "(lies)"
3. the Spirit is unable to confirm a falsehood.
4. "virtually every member"?, please elaborate....was a survey or poll taken afterward?
5. "What was its role"?...in association with 'lies' the role would have been to be absent.

You seem to be wanting to change the topic, correct?
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Re: Heavenly Mother

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subgenius wrote:1. You sitting next to Dunn seems superfluous, or as an appeal to authority, or at best...anecdotal...nevertheless...seemingly irrelevant.

Shows first hand eye witness evidence

2. clarify "(lies)"

The opposite of "the truth"

3. the Spirit is unable to confirm a falsehood.

But I saw it do so, first hand.

4. "virtually every member"?, please elaborate....was a survey or poll taken afterward?

Of the 300 people I could see, 259 of them were moved to tears.

5. "What was its role"?...in association with 'lies' the role would have been to be absent.

See 3

You seem to be wanting to change the topic, correct?

You introduced "the spirit" into the discussion, but consider your apology accepted.
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Re: Heavenly Mother

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Drifting wrote:
Tobin wrote:95% of humanity really believe in a supreme being.


CFR

Probably a bit of hyperbole...not that you can claim better...but Tobin's underlying point is valid and not inaccurate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_re ... opulations
6.8 billion people in the world and only 300-500 million are irreligious...hmmm...that makes up about 4% to 7%...which leaves about 93%-97%
So, yea...a whopping majority.

The study detailed Americans' deep and broad religiosity, finding that 92 percent believe in God or a universal spirit -- including one in five of those who call themselves atheists. More than half of Americans polled pray at least once a day.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00818.html

About 78% are affiliated religious
http://religions.pewforum.org/reports
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Re: Heavenly Mother

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subgenius wrote:
Tobin wrote:95% of humanity really believe in a supreme being.

Probably a bit of hyperbole...not that you can claim better...but Tobin's underlying point is valid and not inaccurate

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_re ... opulations
6.8 billion people in the world and only 300-500 million are irreligious...hmmm...that makes up about 4% to 7%...which leaves about 93%-97%
So, yea...a whopping majority.

The study detailed Americans' deep and broad religiosity, finding that 92 percent believe in God or a universal spirit -- including one in five of those who call themselves atheists. More than half of Americans polled pray at least once a day.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00818.html

About 78% are affiliated religious
http://religions.pewforum.org/reports


Demographics

Main article: Demographics of atheism

It is difficult to quantify the number of atheists in the world. Respondents to religious-belief polls may define "atheism" differently or draw different distinctions between atheism, non-religious beliefs, and non-theistic religious and spiritual beliefs.[139] A Hindu atheist would declare oneself as a Hindu, although also being an atheist at the same time.[140] A 2005 survey published in Encyclopædia Britannica found that the non-religious made up about 11.9% of the world's population, and atheists about 2.3%. This figure did not include those who follow atheistic religions, such as some Buddhists.[20] A broad figure estimates the number of atheists and agnostics on Earth at 1.1 billion.[141]
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Re: Heavenly Mother

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Drifting wrote:Shows first hand eye witness evidence

no it does not...it only shows your claim to it...its reasonable to assume you are bias and possibly fabricating the event.

The opposite of "the truth"

:neutral:

But I saw it do so, first hand.

see first response above....and perhaps you only "thought" you saw something. Likely it was "ol scratch" confounding your mind.

Of the 300 people I could see, 259 of them were moved to tears.

could have been a number of reasons...fumes...bad story telling...witnessing you slipping into apostasy
i also find it suspect that you actual counted how many people were moved to tears...259 is pretty precise as counted from the stand.

See 3

i did. insufficient response

You introduced "the spirit" into the discussion, but consider your apology accepted.

I clarified it, you actually beckoned it by your misapplication.
Nevertheless, you ares still off topic.
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Re: Heavenly Mother

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Drifting wrote:[

Demographics

Main article: Demographics of atheism

It is difficult to quantify the number of atheists in the world. Respondents to religious-belief polls may define "atheism" differently or draw different distinctions between atheism, non-religious beliefs, and non-theistic religious and spiritual beliefs.[139] A Hindu atheist would declare oneself as a Hindu, although also being an atheist at the same time.[140] A 2005 survey published in Encyclopædia Britannica found that the non-religious made up about 11.9% of the world's population, and atheists about 2.3%. This figure did not include those who follow atheistic religions, such as some Buddhists.[20] A broad figure estimates the number of atheists and agnostics on Earth at 1.1 billion.[141]


ummm...doesn't change anything...maybe you should read for comprehension, links were provided :eek:
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Re: Heavenly Mother

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Drifting wrote:Demographics
Main article: Demographics of atheism
It is difficult to quantify the number of atheists in the world. Respondents to religious-belief polls may define "atheism" differently or draw different distinctions between atheism, non-religious beliefs, and non-theistic religious and spiritual beliefs.[139] A Hindu atheist would declare oneself as a Hindu, although also being an atheist at the same time.[140] A 2005 survey published in Encyclopædia Britannica found that the non-religious made up about 11.9% of the world's population, and atheists about 2.3%. This figure did not include those who follow atheistic religions, such as some Buddhists.[20] A broad figure estimates the number of atheists and agnostics on Earth at 1.1 billion.[141]
subgenius wrote:ummm...doesn't change anything...maybe you should read for comprehension, links were provided :eek:
I'm actually shocked that Drifting went there. Ok, maybe not that shocked. He does tend to question things like water is wet or that the Sun shines from time to time.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
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Re: Heavenly Mother

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Tobin wrote:I'm actually shocked that Drifting went there. Ok, maybe not that shocked. He does tend to question things like water is wet or that the Sun shines from time to time.


Ssshhhhh now and go back to sleep

Mummy and Drifting are arguing...
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Re: Heavenly Mother

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subgenius wrote:"if you actually have a solid reference that details the "method" of mary's conception"
viewtopic.php?p=577319#p577319


God was once a man, therefore we can safely assume he has a 'you know what' (hopefully more like mine rather than yours) and uses it in the same way for procreation.

In fact, I prayed about this very subject and the spirit confirmed I am right.
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