Are the FLDS Mormons...?

[_Darth J]

This also from President Newsroom:

When referring to Church members, the term "Latter-day Saints" is preferred, though "Mormons" is acceptable.

It seems the Church PR and Marketing Department didn't get the memo in time to stop their ''I'm a Latter Day Saint'' TV Campaign from being given the less preferable nickname for members of the Church...

amateur

“The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints,” “Liahona,” “Book of Mormon,” and “Mormon” are trademarks of Intellectual Reserve, Inc.
http://www.LDS.org/legal/terms?lang=eng

As is his wont, subgenius again calls other people uninformed in the very course of demonstrating that he has no idea what he is talking about.

The OP is asking about "Mormon" being a broad category of religion that includes the Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Subgenius' trademark reference is non-responsive, but he doesn't understand that, or he wouldn't have referred to it. Intellectual Reserve does not own the word "Mormon." What IRI has trademarked is only a certain, specific way of writing the word "Mormon."

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f= ... m8v4r.2.11

That trademark does not mean other people or denominations cannot use the word "Mormon." It only means that they have to use a different design when they write the word.

There are numerous trademarks based on the word "Mormon."

http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f= ... bmit+Query

[_Darth J]

expand you mind and your geographic knowledge....

In some countries, Mormon and some phrases including the term are registered trademarks owned by Intellectual Reserve, Inc. ....
the United States Patent and Trademark Office rejected the application, stating that the term "Mormon" was too generic, and is popularly understood as referring to a particular kind of church, similar to "Presbyterian" or "Methodist", rather than a service mark. The application was abandoned as of August 22, 2007. In all, the Intellectual Reserve, Inc. owns more than 60 trademarks related to the term Mormon.

You're only proving that you don't know what a trademark is. You never would have brought this up if you did.

Intellectual Reserve does not own the word "Mormon." Not any more than Lucasfilm, Ltd. owns the words "Star Wars."

Lucasfilm owns a trademark to a specific design for writing the words "Star Wars." Similarly, IRI only owns a specific design for writing the word "Mormon." The OP is asking about what a Mormon is conceptually. Ownership of a specific design for the word "Mormon" is not relevant to the assertion by the Church that only members of the LDS Church are "Mormons."

Perhaps you'd like to explain why Intellectual Reserve isn't suing the producers of Broadway musical, The Book of Mormon, for trademark violation.

(May have something to do with IRI not owning the words "Book of Mormon.")

[_subgenius]

[Perhaps you'd like to explain why Intellectual Reserve isn't suing the producers of Broadway musical, The Book of Mormon, for trademark violation.

I believe if you actually read my post you understand that the trademark is not owned in the USA...where the play is being performed...correct?
And besides, owning a trademark in the US does not equate to exclusive use...enforcement is based on several factors, like fair use, geography, similarity, etc...but you probably knew that already...otherwise you would be making snarky comments that merely displayed your own inadequa-......er......oops

[_Darth J]

[Perhaps you'd like to explain why Intellectual Reserve isn't suing the producers of Broadway musical, The Book of Mormon, for trademark violation.

I believe if you actually read my post you understand that the trademark is not owned in the USA...where the play is being performed...correct?
And besides, owning a trademark in the US does not equate to exclusive use...enforcement is based on several factors, like fair use, geography, similarity, etc...but you probably knew that already...otherwise you would be making snarky comments that merely displayed your own inadequa-......er......oops

In summary, neither Intellectual Reserve, Inc., nor the Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints own the word "Mormon," and you got caught asserting things you didn't understand and are now trying to bail yourself out.

There is no way you would have brought up trademarks in response to the OP if you knew what you were talking about. I know it; everyone reading this thread knows it.

[_ldsfaqs]

It's really simple....

1. The Associated Press stylebook (not simply the Church) states that the term "Mormon" properly only applies to the original Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

2. There is a reason for the above. The term "Catholic" while in a general sense can be applied to other types of Catholics, those of other religions, the PROPER usage of the term only applies to the Holy Roman Catholic Church (or whatever their proper legal name is, haven't looked recently).

3. Thus, those who are trying to use the "generic term" of "Christian" as if it's the same thing as how a particular religion or group is identified is simply a strawman. The term "Christian" has always in general referred to anyone who believed on Christ. While there was a religion he established, there were always "believers" who didn't necessary belong to that religion nor any particular religion. Christian is another word for the believers in Christ, and alway was.

If people want to use a proper comparison to the word "Mormon" they need to compare it similar to the word "Catholic". An Evangelical is not a Catholic, and likewise there are Catholics who don't necessarily belong to the Holy Sea, but still, they are not actually Catholics, because the "proper" usage of the term Catholic only and has only ever applied to those of the Church of Rome, not anyone else.

Further, it you want to compare a term that would apply to all Joseph Smith originating groups, it would have to be "Joseph Smithism". Further, Joseph Smith is not "worshiped". He is simply a Prophet and Apostle, thus to claim that Mormon must apply to everyone who has some connection to Joseph Smith, and that is somehow the same as the term Christian, which denotes a worship belief system, is again off the mark.

Get it anti-mormons???

[_Buffalo]

Great, then "Christian" only applies to those who believe in the trinity.

[_ldsfaqs]

Great, then "Christian" only applies to those who believe in the trinity.

Every Christian believes in the "Trinity".....

However, not every Christian believes in the Nicene Creed, nor have they from the beginning, especially when the Nicene Creed (a.k.a. Trinity) was officialized by the Catholic Church, not "Christians" in general.

A good half of Christiandom did not believe in the Nicene Creed when it was established.
Yes, some did fall in line after, but not all.

Even further, would it surprise you that even Mormons are able to believe in the "original" Nicene Creed?
It actually doesn't really say anything contrary to LDS theology, depending on how it's interpreted. It's the later interpretations and re-writing that makes it wrong. In it's more generic original renditioning, it was able to allow various views of the matter. For example, the "one substance" statement. To an LDS, of course Christ and the Father are "one substance", because they are literally Father and son genetically speaking, because the Father contributed his DNA. Of course, that term/interpretation was over-ridden by a false one, which became the dominant interpretation, that substance means they are the same being.

[_gdemetz]

The original Nicene creed is not consistent with true LDS doctrine because:

1) It states that the Father was the creator, which is not exactly the way LDS see it, and it is also not consistent with the scriptures which teach that Christ was the creator under the direction of Heavenly Father, which is the LDS doctrine.

2) It also states that Christ is of one "essence with the Father," which is also a vague non scriptural statement.

3) It also states that Christ was "incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the virgin Mary," which is definitely a fairy tale false doctrine of which the prophets and apostles of the church have stated was false.

4) It also states that the Holy Spirit "proceeds from the Father," which is true, but it is misleading since it gives the impression that He is a force life radiation, when, in fact, He is a personage of Spirit.

5) And last, but definitely not least, it professes belief in "One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic church." Don't get me started on that one! Well, too late! It's not one now, it split. It is definitely not holy (i.e. sale of indulgences, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.......), and it is definitely not apostolic since the apostles belong to our church.