Blasphemy or Biblical?

[_gdemetz]

I still say that there are many very credible OBE experiences, but I don't believe that there are many credible "Nessie" experiences.

[_Drifting]

I still say that there are many very credible OBE experiences, but I don't believe that there are many credible "Nessie" experiences.

Personal opinion.

I still say that there are really no credible OBE experiences, nor are there any credible Nessie experiences, nor are there any credible ghost stories, nor are there any credible Vision stories...etc ad infinitum...

[_gdemetz]

Maybe you should try reading more about them.

[_Drifting]

Maybe you should try reading more about them.

And you should try researching ghosts...

[_Nomomo]

I still say that there are really no credible OBE experiences, nor are there any credible Nessie experiences, nor are there any credible ghost stories, nor are there any credible Vision stories...etc ad infinitum...

It is certainly without doubt that the phenomenon of the OBE exists. I can see where you can claim the explanation of exactly what is occurring or what is the meaning\interpretation of the experience may not be credible. But as one who has had multiple experiences of the OBE phenomenon I can assure you without any doubt that they occur.

[_Drifting]

It is certainly without doubt that the phenomenon of the OBE exists. I can see where you can claim the explanation of exactly what is occurring or what is the meaning\interpretation of the experience may not be credible. But as one who has had multiple experiences of the OBE phenomenon I can assure you without any doubt that they occur.

Now here is where it gets interesting.
How do you explain to yourself what your experiences are?

[_subgenius]

Now here is where it gets interesting.
How do you explain to yourself what your experiences are?

actually, it seems that this is where it, or better -you get predictable.
The assumption that experiences of any type have to be "explained to yourself" is without justification nor cause.
cum hoc ergo propter hoc

[_subgenius]

Why would an atheist not be concerned with either?

because they are metaphysical/supernatural, and to affirm the existence of anything of that sort allows the camel's nose under the tent on the existence of God.
The atheist can only deny the existence of God, or the divine, by holding true to the position that without "evidence" they can not affirm belief.
Furthermore, an atheist can not support any notion of right/wrong without subscribing to a moral code...in other words, PRINCIPLES which distinguish right from wrong. Whatever do they found these principles on? Whatever can they base these principles upon? - They have only one footing which they can bear any moral PRINCIPLE upon...and that is on the self...they must admit and adhere to the notion that only their own self is the source of morality, and as such that is the source for any other person's morality, and ergo their behavior. Thus they have no actual principle for resolution when any 2 principles come into conflict with each other.....well, except for the reliable notion that "justice is might". With this in mind then physical domination becomes the actual principle for any and all "atheist morality". Which is arguably just "fine"...but they can surely be nothing more than hypocritical when the crusades come to town and burn them at the stake for being "wrong".

[_Drifting]

Now here is where it gets interesting.
How do you explain to yourself what your experiences are?

actually, it seems that this is where it, or better -you get predictable.
The assumption that experiences of any type have to be "explained to yourself" is without justification nor cause.
cum hoc ergo propter hoc

What's your explanation for OBE's?

[_subgenius]

What's your explanation for OBE's?

I have no "explanation" nor am i convinced that an explanation is necessary.
However, OBE may be valid as a physical condition...a spiritual condition...and perhaps even some combination of the two.
I have always been a big fan of the band Sonic Youth. There album "Sister" influenced my aesthetic and intellect when i was younger, and still today. I have also always been a huge fan of the works by author Philip K Dick.
perhaps this is why