Fables vs. Restored Truths

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Buffalo wrote:...

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No near-extinction events in the window of time for the flood.

Just for kicks, and to prove that you are well above the kind of person that would just take something at face value.....can you give us the evidence that PROVES 7 million at 4000 BC?
...or are you just taking MotherJones's word for it?
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subgenius wrote:just you stating "absolutely 100%" means you know very little about either side of that argument.


:lol:

"either side"? What is the "other side"?

I'm guessing you've never studied radiation or quantum mechanics.
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Samantabhadra wrote:"either side"? What is the "other side"?

that the statement "the continents have been separating over a period of hundreds of millions of years" may be an exaggeration, or at best, premature.


I'm guessing you've never studied radiation or quantum mechanics.[/quote]
This one?
or this one?

either way, ask yourself a quick question...given the amount of nuclear explosions that have occurred on the earth, what impact will they have on the reliability of radiometric dating in the distant future?
Additionally, what evidence do you use to justify imposing the data of a decay rate able to be observed over, at best, a millennium or two to a time span of 10 million years.
If Hawaii continues its development, what will that be in 5 million years?


(let me footnote that i have no particular disagreement with plate tectonics, however, it is clear to the most cursory of scientific understanding that continental drift has little to confirm/deny with regards to a "flood". Surface characteristics of Rodinia or Nena are hardly definitive....unless you exercise a little faith)
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subgenius wrote:
Samantabhadra wrote:"either side"? What is the "other side"?

that the statement "the continents have been separating over a period of hundreds of millions of years" may be an exaggeration, or at best, premature.


I'm guessing you've never studied radiation or quantum mechanics.

This one?
or this one?

either way, ask yourself a quick question...given the amount of nuclear explosions that have occurred on the earth, what impact will they have on the reliability of radiometric dating in the distant future?
Additionally, what evidence do you use to justify imposing the data of a decay rate able to be observed over, at best, a millennium or two to a time span of 10 million years.
If Hawaii continues its development, what will that be in 5 million years?


(let me footnote that i have no particular disagreement with plate tectonics, however, it is clear to the most cursory of scientific understanding that continental drift has little to confirm/deny with regards to a "flood". Surface characteristics of Rodinia or Nena are hardly definitive....unless you exercise a little faith)


Not only do you know very little about science, economics, physics, law, physiology, archaeology, anthropology or biology. It seems you know very little about Mormonism!

According to Jeffers R Holland (and as referenced by gdemetz) the continents split when the flood waters receded circa 2,300 bc.

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The other side is .. wait for it....

Magic!

God did it, then hid the evidence.
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Additionally, what evidence do you use to justify imposing the data of a decay rate able to be observed over, at best, a millennium or two to a time span of 10 million years.


The "evidence" of quantum mechanics. That's why I brought it up. Half-lives, like spectral lines, are an inherent property of their nuclei. The rate of decay does not change any more over a period of a billion years than it does over a period of a million or a thousand years, or a single year.

either way, ask yourself a quick question...given the amount of nuclear explosions that have occurred on the earth, what impact will they have on the reliability of radiometric dating in the distant future?


Since radiocarbon dating is ineffective over timespans longer than a few thousands of years, and radiometric dating for geologic processes does not use Carbon-14 but much longer-lived isotopes, current nuclear tests won't affect future measurements at all (assuming "distant future" means >10,000 years from now).

let me footnote that i have no particular disagreement with plate tectonics


Happy to hear it!

however, it is clear to the most cursory of scientific understanding that continental drift has little to confirm/deny with regards to a "flood"


That's true on the surface, but obviously false if the "flood" in question is asserted to have occurred on a single continental landmass that still existed as a single continental landmass as of ca. 2300 BCE. In that case, existing radiometric and geologic evidence utterly discounts the possibility of such a flood.

As a side note, there is good anthropological and geological evidence that the Mesopotamian region experienced periodic catastrophic flooding, including particularly devastating regional floods sometime around 3000 BCE.
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subgenius wrote:
Buffalo wrote:...

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No near-extinction events in the window of time for the flood.

Just for kicks, and to prove that you are well above the kind of person that would just take something at face value.....can you give us the evidence that PROVES 7 million at 4000 BC?
...or are you just taking MotherJones's word for it?


The fact that you use the word "proves" demonstrates profound intellectual retardation on your part. But there is plenty of evidence that the population was roughly seven million.

Population estimates come from aggregate estimates of major centers of civilization and outlying areas. All based on archeological findings.

http://heritage-key.com/blogs/michael-k ... ties-world
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/1 ... 6078392293
http://www.arts.cornell.edu/jrz3/PopulationHQ.pdf
http://www.tulane.edu/~august/H303/hand ... lation.htm

Then again, since this information comes from "experts" with "advanced degrees" who "know" things about the world through "research" and "physical evidence" instead of consulting octogenarian Utahan surgeons, you should be skeptical.
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subgenius wrote:ummm...go drink the kool-aid on another thread.


Subgenius, are you and Wenglund one and the same person?

Wenglund on MDD shows a penchant for the kool-aid reference.

Since you've either picked it up or you are one and same person, I just wonder if you have any idea what "drink the kool-aid" implies.

The only other person in history who I've heard admonish to "drink the kool-aid" was the (not-so-reverend) Rev. James Jones of Johnstown.

He was a total nut case who managed to set up a little dictatorial kingdom in Guyana. When threatened with exposure for his crimes and lunacy, Jones ordered Congressman Leo Ryan to be killed, then ordered his devoted followers, some 900 men, women and children to commit suicide.

I still have a cassette tape of his final radio broadcast from November 18, 1978, which Jones sent from his Jonestown camp. Jones called upon his members to force-feed their 303 children to drink a cyanide-laced grape drink. (not kool-aid, by the way). Once the children were dying Jones cried out, "Don't be afraid to die" and that they, too, must drink the potion.

So what do you (Wenglund) mean with "drink the kool-aid"? Is this your Mormon way of saying FOAD?
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bcuzbcuz wrote:
subgenius wrote:ummm...go drink the kool-aid on another thread.


Subgenius, are you and Wenglund one and the same person?

Wenglund on MDD shows a penchant for the kool-aid reference.



There not the same people. Wade likes to insult others in a more subtle way then sub.
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Themis wrote:
There not the same people. Wade likes to insult others in a more subtle way then sub.


I still think Sub = Belmont
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