Is the Church really growing?

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Re: Is the Church really growing?

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gdemetz wrote:Actually that the Atlantic could overflow on a coastal city like Boston is not really so far fetched.


I'll grant that. I'm sure that is something people have talked about ever since Boston was first settled. It could happen. But the Mormon apostle didn't forsee it and didn't see modern times in his pretended vision or prophecy. He was simply trying to stir the hearts of people up and get them to repent and bow to Mormonism.

If I were you, I'd be more concerned about Salt Lake City being wiped out in an earthquake and the temple crashing down before New York ever gets the big quake just because your Mormon apostle said so.

How would it look when the Salt Lake temple crumbles to the ground? Well, it wouldn't be the first time a Mormon temple was destroyed by natural elements.

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gdemetz wrote:I prayed yesterday that you all would still be alive to witness those events. I think that is a good sign for you that even you guys can't miss! I think that would be a very good wake up call!


Those events would result in the horrible suffering of millions of innocent people. How does that make you feel? Your god killing millions of innocent people who are just trying to live their lives from day to day. The Doctrine & Covenants and your quoted prophecy are proof that Mormonism is a blood thirsty religion that seeks the overthrow of the human race unless they bend their knees to your religion. But I have news for you. Those prophecies are not going to happen. The Doctrine & Covenants is a book of lies made up by Joseph Smith. The Doctrine & Covenants are no more credible than the Explanations of Facsimile No. 3 which are also lies.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93XqR6IO ... ure=relmfu

@ 28 seconds

oaks says young men are leaving faster than young women.

the Mormon church is loosing members, there you have it.

keep in mind this q&a was held during the marlin k. jensen "controversy"
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How would I feel if that happened? Horrible! I hope that all the people in those areas will repent, even if they don't become Mormons, so that God will revoke that just as He revoked His decree to destroy Nineveh after they repented.
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subgenius wrote:yes, it is.



Interestingly and seemingly at odds with your statement, a member of the Seventy confessed yesterday that the Church is struggling in terms of growth. In particular he mentioned the ''loss in numbers'' of the age group 16 to 30 and pinned that loss down on the fact that they went looking for answers to questions from sources other than official Church ones.

There is going to be a real push in the month of June aimed at getting new people or lapsed people, into the pews to try and reverse this trend.

So it would seem your statement is...(let's be generous)...errant.
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gdemetz wrote:How would I feel if that happened? Horrible! I hope that all the people in those areas will repent, even if they don't become Mormons, so that God will revoke that just as He revoked His decree to destroy Nineveh after they repented.


They won't repent and bow the knees to the rules of Mormonism. So, according to your scriptures, your God is going to come and slay millions of people who are trying to live their lives as they see fit. We don't need religions threatening us with death and destruction, thank you. Your God is a murderer, nothing short of Dark Age mentality -- filled with blood sacrifice and cult rites. According to your religion, I live in wickedness and your God is going to come back and slay me with fire and all kinds of nasty things. Do I look worried? Nope. Because he isn't any more real than the missing king's name in Facsimile No. 3. The Mormon God has been disproved, scientifically. But if you can tell me the name then perhaps you can start talking about Joseph Smith's inspiration. But you can't, and that must bother you. I'm glad it does.

Wickeness never was happiness? I've never been happier!! It's joy, real joy. Wickedness is just a name you Mormons like to pin on people and things as you seek to judge the world waiting for your Jesus to come and kill us. But your Jesus isn't coming back. And even if he did, I could never bow my knees to that monster or the Father of a monster he represents. They are gods of death, destruction, and religious intolerance. All made up in the mind of Joseph Smith.

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After subtracting for attrition (had to eyeball some of AOM's charts), we seem to be growing at around 190,000 (1.3%) per year in 2010.
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Which lags the global population growth rate. Mormons are becoming, by percentage, less common. So much for the stone cut without hands.
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Drifting wrote:

Interestingly and seemingly at odds with your statement, a member of the Seventy confessed yesterday that the Church is struggling in terms of growth. In particular he mentioned the ''loss in numbers'' of the age group 16 to 30 and pinned that loss down on the fact that they went looking for answers to questions from sources other than official Church ones.

There is going to be a real push in the month of June aimed at getting new people or lapsed people, into the pews to try and reverse this trend.



In order to come clean they risk loosing older members. The 40-60 y/o bracket which make the most money hence pay more tithing. In the October conference they announced the release of updated manuals, discussing the not so taste-full aspects. The GA's abandon that venture because it would cost them the older generations, which they must have in order to remain an organization. Mormonism was built on lies, [not so celestially remarks] all over their faces.
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That's not just the "Mormon" God; that's the Biblical God of Christianity also, and when that happens, many won't be around to see the increased growth percentage of the church!
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