Jonah and the Whale

[_Buffalo]

Does anyone actually take the Jonah and the whale story literally? I never did, even as a kid. It's obvious fiction.

[_subgenius]

Does anyone actually take the Jonah and the whale story literally? I never did, even as a kid. It's obvious fiction.

Does it "actually" matter to anyone if, in fact, someone does take it literally?...and if so, how does it matter? (or better yet, why?)

Is not the only implication by a literal view of this story one that simply recognizes that God is capable of operating beyond and in spite of what we consider to be "natural laws"? or that He can actually manipulate them for His purposes? - and if this be the case what does that notion matter to anyone who is "learning" by the story of Jonah?

The Resurrection of Christ completely depends on understanding this aspect of God's nature, and without it then the Resurrection is not possible, for without argument the Resurrection is a transcending act over natural laws, over what is possible and impossible. So, to dissect the story of Jonah and claim that buccal cavities are too small, or that whales are mammals not fish, requires the same be applied to the Resurrection - which completely negates the concept or reality of what it means to be "miraculous". For if a miracle were able to be repeated by experiment and examination it would not be a miracle at all.
So, without a correct understanding of God, can one truly deny Him, can one truly be an atheist? I think not.
And without a correct understanding of Faith can one truly know the nature of God? I think not.

[_Shulem]

Does anyone actually take the Jonah and the whale story literally? I never did, even as a kid. It's obvious fiction.

Which is worse:

Jonah and the Whale or Jaredites and the Barges?

Such silly stories made up by religious quacks! And LDS people actually believe those tales. It's so sad how faith is able to take over the brain, thus logic is supressed by the order of religion.

Faith is a logic killer. I encourage those who are trapped into believing these myths to let go of their faith and start to live. Let the truth grow like a little seed in the ground and water it with logic and reason. Soon, the cancer of religion will die and you will be made whole. The warm feelings in your bosom will multiply such as you have never known before.

Paul O

[_Themis]

There is no reason, nor evidence, that would lead one to conclude that those "claims" are false ,misleading, or inaccurate. Here we see an revealing implication being made...obviously you are making a claim based on the notion that there can be no value, integrity, or Truth in a "biography" which is authored after someone's death.

There is, but then why should we take any ancient text written after the events it is writing about are going to be accurate.

I fear that you may have gone by the way as Themis, as someone who in face of either denying what Truth is or just being unable to recognize it has resigned to claim that Truth is subjective, is an illusion, is capable of being anything to anyone - and as such has no meaning at all, aside from being a source of betrayal.

I am not sure why you think lying about what others have said is going to do you any good. I guess since you cannot back up your assertions you are left with lying and acting like a child.

[_Shulem]

I have him on IGNORE but caught this clip in another post:

There is no reason, nor evidence, that would lead one to conclude that those "claims" are false ,misleading, or inaccurate.

Bear your testimony of Jonah and the Whale and the Explanations of Facsimile No. 3. Tell the members of the board just how true those things are in your own mind. Tell us how Jesus told you that the Explanations are not false, not misleading, and not inaccurate.



Paul O

[_Buffalo]

Does anyone actually take the Jonah and the whale story literally? I never did, even as a kid. It's obvious fiction.

Does it "actually" matter to anyone if, in fact, someone does take it literally?...and if so, how does it matter? (or better yet, why?)

Feel free to believe whatever makes you happy. Believing in this particular fishing story doesn't make you a bad person. It just means that you're a little simple.

[_subgenius]

Feel free to believe whatever makes you happy. Believing in this particular fishing story doesn't make you a bad person. It just means that you're a little simple.

sez you...
but i accept your surrender

[_Shulem]

Feel free to believe whatever makes you happy. Believing in this particular fishing story doesn't make you a bad person. It just means that you're a little simple.

The fishing story is obviously a gross lie from the Bible. But what of all the lies that aren't so gross? Pretty much the whole miraculous story of Moses coming out of Egypt is made up lies. It's a gross depiction of what really happened in ancient Egypt. The Israelites were far worse liars than the Egyptians ever were. They made up a lot of stuff in order to soup up their religion and make a go of it. It's a lot like the missing king's name in Facsimile No. 3 -- wherein the miracles of Moses in Egypt are also missing.

Jonah and the Whale? It's a good story for 5 year olds who still believe in the Easter bunny.

Paul O

[_subgenius]

There is,

but you are not going to prove it, right?....shocking!

but then why should we take any ancient text written after the events it is writing about are going to be accurate.

why not? There is no reason to believe that the text intends to deceive nor that they are fraudulent by what they promote.
Are you assuming that the bulk of of almost every history text to be "unbelievable"?

I am not sure why you think lying about what others have said is going to do you any good.

I am not lying, and your accusation is contrary to statements you have already made.
But your denial does not make it any less true, does it?

I guess since you cannot back up your assertions you are left with lying and acting like a child.

HERE

[_subgenius]

Jonah and the Whale? It's a good story for 5 year olds who still believe in the Easter bunny.

...or believe that people are "born gay"