Fulfilled Prophecy?

[_Albion]

To me it is simple. How could a so-called prophetic blessing of being an instrument of vengeance on those responsible for the deaths of the Smith be fulfilled if those who suffer the vengeance are innocent and had no connection to it? In my thinking that's purely random and purely evil.

[_Albion]

To me it is simple. How could a so-called prophetic blessing of being an instrument of vengeance on those responsible for the deaths of the Smith be fulfilled if those who suffer the vengeance are innocent and had no connection to it? In my thinking that's purely random and purely evil.

[_Investigator]

To me it is simple. How could a so-called prophetic blessing of being an instrument of vengeance on those responsible for the deaths of the Smith be fulfilled if those who suffer the vengeance are innocent and had no connection to it? In my thinking that's purely random and purely evil.

I agree.

But that is different from what you wrote before.

But surely, if there is no provable connection between the immigrants and the killings of the Smiths the whole point is moot.

The keyword there is "provable."

You said that if it couldn't be proven (a hundred years latter) that the immigrants were guilty, the question asked in the OP was moot.

I disagree with that.

[_hatersinmyward]

Suppose Monson's patriarchal blessing contained some sketchy quotes, those quotes would probably be taken and released as scripture.

In the October 2011 General Conference Packer stated that very young children can look forward to old age, seeing their children and grandchildren grow old before the Second Coming of Christ.

I know people that have it written in their blessings they will witness the second coming in their lifetimes.

Packer's blessing may say something to that effect as well, however it didn't happen for him...

The only way to make the top 15 tier in Mormonism is being a master BS'er.

The top level of Buddhism states you have to not want to be worshiped. Which is why Mormonism was conceived, so Joseph Smith and company would be worshiped. When allowing yourself to be worshiped it's check yourself or be checked by others... Floods in Conference Centers, 1 GA hearing the sound of a 56k modem in his head till he decides stands for something or kills himself.

[_Albion]

I haven't changed my opinion on the MMM which I view as a murderous and evil act committed by equally murderous and evil men. I am responding to what I see as the if premise of your post purely for discussion.

[_gdemetz]

I see you are attacking again, Albion. Sure, the deed was very evil, and I am very disappointed that Mormons were involved in this, and I think that more of them should have been punished along with the leader. However, I will also state that for every evil act instigated by Mormons, there were probably at least a dozen by evil enemies of the church inspired by Satan!

[_Drifting]

I see you are attacking again, Albion. Sure, the deed was very evil, and I am very disappointed that Mormons were involved in this, and I think that more of them should have been punished along with the leader. However, I will also state that for every evil act instigated by Mormons, there were probably at least a dozen by evil enemies of the church inspired by Satan!

gdemetz, how many Mormons have been murdered as a result of religious persecution and how many non Mormon's have been murdered in return? (I think Buffalo has a running tally if you don't know).

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[_Albion]

The MMM...the largest "terrorist" act in American history until the Oklahoma City bombing. You can define it as "attacking" gdemetz. I see it as reminding us of fact.

[_gdemetz]

Come on guys, take those spiritual blinders off and wake up! Who was driven from place to place due to persecution, and finally had to go far west where there were only the Indians and cactus, etc.?!?

[_Albion]

There's nothing spiritual about murder be it of Mormons or innocent wagon train immigrants at MM. and you don't need spiritual eyes to excuse it.