The LDS members and the Kingdom of God

[_Franktalk]

I have read these many times, but I am not sure why I should put to much stock in the words of men dead thousands of years ago who had very limited knowledge of the universe around them both physical and spiritual.

Now we are getting somewhere. We are arriving at your world view. Just lay it all out there and see what it looks like. Let your flavor of truth see the light of day.

If this is what you think of scripture why do you bother posting here? I would think that you would enjoy a good science forum where you could learn the latest theories on how everything works. What could motivate you to argue with someone who has cast off the world? Are you trying to get me to accept your view of truth? Or maybe you just want to show some spiritual guy just how smart you are. But from where I sit it appears to me that you have a double dose of the ignoramus gene. You know it is just three alleles away from the homo gene. You guys who believe in this absolute garbage just amaze me.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... -our-genes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvhFJs-uyF4

[_Themis]

If this is what you think of scripture why do you bother posting here?

I would think that would be obvious. This is a Mormon forum about Mormon issues, and I am a Mormon. Not believing many of the LDS truth claims does not mean I have no interest in it.

I would think that you would enjoy a good science forum where you could learn the latest theories on how everything works.

I enjoy many things.

What could motivate you to argue with someone who has cast off the world?

Maybe to try and help that poor soul realize they didn't cast off any world.

Are you trying to get me to accept your view of truth?

No, but to try and see if you will engage the issues.

Or maybe you just want to show some spiritual guy just how smart you are.

And who would that spiritual guy be. I am a spiritual guy. Maybe you mean me. Just because I don't believe many LDS truth claims does not mean I am not spiritual. I just have a different understanding of what they are. You just don't seem to want to address the issues about it.

But from where I sit it appears to me that you have a double dose of the ignoramus gene. You know it is just three alleles away from the homo gene. You guys who believe in this absolute garbage just amaze me.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/artic ... -our-genes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvhFJs-uyF4

You know one is not doing well with the issues when they have to resort to name calling and insults. I also see some intolerance of a certain group of people. How is it you get a wrong about me insulting your knowledge of God, but then seem fine with saying the same thing to others, and now you are name calling. To bad some can't try to be more Christlike, especially when they call themselves Christian.

[_Franktalk]

Maybe to try and help that poor soul realize they didn't cast off any world.

It is easy to deny someone's beliefs. It sounds to me as if you cherry pick what to believe. I do hope it all works for you. As for me I am happy with what I know.

[_Themis]

It is easy to deny someone's beliefs.

You mean disagree. Sure , you do it all the time. We all do.

It sounds to me as if you cherry pick what to believe.

I don't think you know what I believe. If you think I am cherry picking you must have idea of what. At least I don't cherry pick which scientific theories I am going to accept.

I do hope it all works for you. As for me I am happy with what I know.

I am sure you think you do know it. So did I at one time, and so does billions of others who know things that contradict what you know.

[_Franktalk]

You mean disagree. Sure , you do it all the time. We all do.

If I wanted to write disagree I would have wrote disagree. You deny the possibility that anything other than your view could exist. You have a black and white science driven knowledge set that you believe is unmovable. Yet history tells a different story. Like I said I hope it works out for you.

[_Themis]

If I wanted to write disagree I would have wrote disagree. You deny the possibility that anything other than your view could exist.

I don't deny any possibility, but I do question them. On many issues I have no view, and I am willing to change my view based on new information.

You have a black and white science driven knowledge set that you believe is unmovable. Yet history tells a different story. Like I said I hope it works out for you.

Never once have I indicated anything close to unmovable. You like to misrepresent what people say. I am just not willing to deny any science I don't like only based on my religious views like you do. I tried to get you to address the issues, but you run away, even with the spiritual ones. Oh well.

[_Franktalk]

Never once have I indicated anything close to unmovable. You like to misrepresent what people say. I am just not willing to deny any science I don't like only based on my religious views like you do. I tried to get you to address the issues, but you run away, even with the spiritual ones. Oh well.

Let me ask you if you believe in a world wide flood that covered the earth? If you believe in the flood where is the evidence?

[_Themis]

Never once have I indicated anything close to unmovable. You like to misrepresent what people say. I am just not willing to deny any science I don't like only based on my religious views like you do. I tried to get you to address the issues, but you run away, even with the spiritual ones. Oh well.

Let me ask you if you believe in a world wide flood that covered the earth? If you believe in the flood where is the evidence?

Are we playing stupid now. You know full well I don't believe in a world wide flood 4-5 thousand years ago. It's not a lack of evidence for, but the mountains of evidence against. Evidence that has been collected with no regard to this question.

[_Franktalk]

Are we playing stupid now. You know full well I don't believe in a world wide flood 4-5 thousand years ago. It's not a lack of evidence for, but the mountains of evidence against. Evidence that has been collected with no regard to this question.

Yes I do know that you deny the flood. It was predicted long ago that many would deny the flood in the last days.


2 Peter 3
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Here Peter is telling us that people in the last days would use uniformitarianism as their basis to deny the flood. It is geology that does this today. They use a fancy word to describe verse 4. So the scoffers are ignorant of the power of God and the supernatural miracle. They deny the miracles of God. Peter goes on to say that the earth is being held in stasis waiting to be changed by fire. This supernatural stasis is misinterpreted by science and used to deny a nonlinear past.

So your evidence means something to you. You use it to deny scripture. You weigh what you think is true against the prophets of old and choose to follow the teachings of man. Many do this thing. But if you go the path of spirituality the evidence of this world means nothing. Since spirits are not of the world and they do exist then this world can be changed in ways we can't imagine. So if one believes in the power of God and supernatural events then a look back in time can be done two ways. We can look at the trace physical evidence and leave God out. Or we can rely on eye witness accounts. We are all left with this choice. I have met many people who say they believe in God yet deny He is able to perform miracles.

[_Themis]

Yes I do know that you deny the flood. It was predicted long ago that many would deny the flood in the last days.


2 Peter 3
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Here Peter is telling us that people in the last days would use uniformitarianism as their basis to deny the flood. It is geology that does this today. They use a fancy word to describe verse 4. So the scoffers are ignorant of the power of God and the supernatural miracle. They deny the miracles of God. Peter goes on to say that the earth is being held in stasis waiting to be changed by fire. This supernatural stasis is misinterpreted by science and used to deny a nonlinear past.

Interpret the Bible any way you wish.

So your evidence means something to you. You use it to deny scripture.

I use it to test to see if claims being made are likely to be accurate. Noah's flood being global is not even possible.

You weigh what you think is true against the prophets of old and choose to follow the teachings of man.

The Bible is the teaching of Man. While I can take some of each teachings as a good way to live, not that it is unique from the Bible, but I can also let go of obvious truth claims that are false.

Many do this thing. But if you go the path of spirituality the evidence of this world means nothing.

I am traveling the path of spirituality. I just don't think you have got it right, but remember you ran away from that discussion.

Since spirits are not of the world and they do exist then this world can be changed in ways we can't imagine.

If spirits exist, then they are part of this world or should we say universe, or maybe universes.

So if one believes in the power of God and supernatural events then a look back in time can be done two ways. We can look at the trace physical evidence and leave God out.

We have mountains of evidence to look at that Christians and others are doing to understand the world around us better. Fortunately some of them are willing to change their views based on new information, while you are stuck with your head in the sand.

Or we can rely on eye witness accounts.

What eye witnesses?

I have met many people who say they believe in God yet deny He is able to perform miracles.

Maybe they just don't accept the ones you like, since to much evidence shows they didn't happen.