Jefferson Tells the Truth

[_Albion]

I am not holding my breath. Individual denominations and churches have ministers and such, both men and women in many cases, but the Biblical concept of a "priesthood of all believes" makes no exceptions by gender...all believers in Christ are part of his "royal priesthood".

[_Albion]

Amen, Madeleine. All our works and boasts are just filthy rags in God's sight and our only hope and claim before God is trust in the shed blood of Christ at Calvary.

[_Tobin]

I am not holding my breath. Individual denominations and churches have ministers and such, both men and women in many cases, but the Biblical concept of a "priesthood of all believes" makes no exceptions by gender...all believers in Christ are part of his "royal priesthood".

Oh, I don't disagree that both women and men can equally have the authority of God (or priesthood). Mormonism didn't start out that way either. Mormon men and women both employed the priesthood and their organizations were equal. It took BY to dispose of that concept and relegate "priesthood" ordinances allowed to be performed by women to the Mormon temple only. Apostasy is a constant problem and even the Mormon Church is not immune.

[_madeleine]

Amen, Madeleine. All our works and boasts are just filthy rags in God's sight and our only hope and claim before God is trust in the shed blood of Christ at Calvary.

I think Mormons would make great Christians, just need to help them turn all that thought, prayer, energy and even zealotry, to Christ (instead of Joseph).

[_Albion]

In my mind I always substitute Mormons for Israelites when I read this passage out of Romans: "Brothers, my hearts desire and prayer to God for the Israelites (Mormons) is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness that comes from God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes." NIV Romans 10: 1-4.

[_gdemetz]

You guys are so ignorant, especially you Albion! You keep making stupid statements! I keep giving you all quotes from reputable non Mormon sources which defend the Mormon doctrines, and you keep making dumb statements that Mormons aren't Christian!! What is so hard about; "Ye are gods and all of you are the children of the Most High," and, "to him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne JUST AS I OVERCAME AND AM SAT DOWN WITH MY FATHER IN HIS THRONE."?!? Is it an English comprehension problem, or is it just spiritual blindness?!? Do you want more quotes; what exactly is the problem?!?

Albion, you keep mentioning the stupid priesthood of all believers hogwash, even after I specifically quoted two New Testament statements; one where it states that NO ONE TAKES THAT HONOR (PRIESTHOOD) UNTO THEMSELVES EXCEPT THOSE THAT ARE CALLED AS AARON WAS CALLED! I also quoted the New Testament statement which states that this priesthood "honor" was given BY THE LAYING ON OF HANDS! In other words, as far as the priesthood is concerned, one does not chose to have it by merely believing ("Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you.")! One is called to this, as Aaron was called, and then they are ordained by the laying of of hands! That is the simple plain, clear New Testament doctrine!

what does it say in the Papa Joe's version?!?

[_Albion]

More insults, gdemetz....you do a better job with those than you do with discussion. I have responded more than once on the issue of Psalm 82. Christianity rejects your interpretation and no amount of repeating your position will change that. You are flat out misinterpreting the use of the word "gods" and taking it out of the context of the entire Psalm and Old Testament history.

You keep quoting the statement on the calling of Levitical priests. The Levitical priesthood, reserved only for the descendants of Aaron, was done away with in Christ as were all the priestly rituals associated with it symbolically demonstrated by the rending of the veil of the temple. As to the higher priesthood, Melchizedek, this is mentioned only three times in the Bible. Outside of those references you cannot point to a single event where it is used or conferred. Only Jesus is worthy to assume this priesthood....only Jesus has entered the "holy of holies" to literally enter the place where god resides to make intercession for mankind serving as the ultimate high priest...the only one we need. Mormon persistence to the contrary demeans the sufficiency of Christ in all things.

[_gdemetz]

You are using the same old stupid arguments again, Albion! You're saying that gods doesn't mean gods, how dumb!!! You are also saying that Christ did away with priesthood when He ministered, how dumb also! Why do I say that is dumb?! Here are some reasons:

1- The priesthood was given by the laying on of hands after Christ's ministry, and I already quoted the verses which state that!

2- Paul even writes, after Christ's ministry, that no one should take the priesthood unless he was called of God as was Aaron! Why would he write that if there were no more priesthood?! Really dumb!

3- The Book of Revelation clearly states that Christ has made others priests and kings! Why would He do that if He were the only priest?! Really dumb!

This reminds me of the show; "dumbest of the dumb"!!!

[_Albion]

gdemetz, I'm not going to dignify you last post with any kind of comment on its content except to say that you have excelled yourself with your insults. If your manner is a demonstration of the holy priesthood you claim to hold it further demonstrates to me why only Jesus is worthy to hold it.

[_gdemetz]

Albion, you may believe whatever you wish to believe, but I have showed you clearly from the Bible that the priesthood was given by the laying on of hands after the time of the ministry of Christ. The New Testament clearly teaches that it is given by the spirit of prophecy to those worthy, and that no one should lay hands for this suddenly, or too soon. The New Testament states that no one should take this priesthood except he is called of God as Aaron was called. It states that it is given by the laying on of hands, and it even states that Christ has made many priests and kings!!!