Albion wrote:If these last two posts weren't so condescending, they would be almost amusing. I think the emperor has no clothes.
In a strange way this is true from a worldly perspective. The greater reality is not like this physical reality we find our self in. The greater reality is more complex and way more spiritual than this place. So any mention of the nature of the heavens will be received by the world as utter nonsense. I want to thank you for making this point clear. As someone gets close to a spiritual walk they appear to the world as detached and distant
Many times I post about a spiritual walk and I use the Bible as a reference for those talks. But let me say that a spiritual walk needs no scripture. I have come across spiritual people in different churches and outside Christianity. The door is open to all. All that is required is to seek outside of this creation and believe in more than can be perceived by our senses. Again those of the world will consider this nonsense.
Sounds a little too gnostic for me....I much prefer to rely on God's grace through the shed blood of the Savior. I am nothing, have nothing, with which to impress God. My hope rests only in faith in God's son.
Albion, you don't really understand the Bible. This last apostasy was the "GREAT falling away" as prophesied, and it required a "restitution of all things" also as prophesied! This apostasy was not due to a failure by God, but a failure by man! The Bible also prophesies of God's ultimate victory, but that doesn't occur until Satan and his followers are cast out at the end of the millennium! Albion, you are still stuck on step one! Salvation is not an event; it is a process! "Straight is the gate and narrow is the way" (or path). In addition to faith, Christ STATES: one must "keep the commandments" and "endure to the end"!!! Otherwise, you may find yourself as one of those saying "Lord, Lord, haven't we walked down the isle for you?" And, you may find yourself in the first heaven (or lowest glory in the resurrection)!
Lots of references in there, gdemetz...do you want to quote references and substantiate your points. I did check The Interpreter's Bible yesterday, a whole set, and could not find the reference you gave earlier. Can you provide volume number and page number?
Albion, what specific reference do you mean? I quoted The Interpreters Bible before in regard to baptism for the dead. It lists the verses by Biblical order, so you can find that one looking at their commentary for 1 Corinthians 15:29. If you want another reference, just tell me concerning which point I made.
I want you to give the specific verses that you are referring to when you talk of a total apostasy and a "restitution" so that we can look at them in context
There was no first century belief in eternal marriage.
Sure there was. 1 Cor 11:11, 1 Peter 3:7, etc. etc.
I looked these two verses up. Both deal with living in the LORD and have nothing to say concerning the afterlife of believers. I digress, sorry, it just seems that this point was not mentioned.
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As you point out there are no scriptural verses that support the Mormn concept of eternal marriage....only scriptures that Mormons extend out of context to support their belief.
Are you still here, Albion? You haven't given up yet? You really need that English comprehension course! Once again, the scriptures plainly and clearly state that the husbands and wives become "heirs TOGETHER of the grace of life"! If this were an MMA match, I know that you would never tap out, but the referee would have stopped it long ago!!!