LittleNipper wrote:Well, My guess is that if any of the Mormon literature in anyway contradicts the Book of Revelation then the Mormons have a serious problem; however, if the book of Revelation was the last book written and written by an Apostile, John may have been placing the closing seal on the Word of God ---- closing God's dissertation with man.
And God stopped speaking to man precisely why? And if that is true, when Jesus returns is he going to be mute?
God didn't stop speaking with man, He simply may have nothing more to add to His message of salvation. That does not mean that God doesn't answer prayer, it would simply mean that perfection of His message was reached.
LittleNipper wrote:Well, My guess is that if any of the Mormon literature in anyway contradicts the Book of Revelation then the Mormons have a serious problem; however, if the book of Revelation was the last book written and written by an Apostile, John may have been placing the closing seal on the Word of God ---- closing God's dissertation with man.
And God stopped speaking to man precisely why? And if that is true, when Jesus returns is he going to be mute?
LittleNipper wrote:God didn't stop speaking with man, He simply may have nothing more to add to His message of salvation. That does not mean that God doesn't answer prayer, it would simply mean that perfection of His message was reached.
Why wait till revelations to finish it and not just hand his complete message to Adam and get it over with then? Seems like a long, unnecessary process don't you? Besides, even if that were true, much of the Book of Mormon was supposedly written before the end of the 1st century AD - so all of that should be included wouldn't you agree?
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Tobin wrote:Why wait till revelations to finish it and not just hand his complete message to Adam and get it over with then? Seems like a long, unnecessary process don't you? Besides, even if that were true, much of the Book of Mormon was supposedly written before the end of the 1st century AD - so all of that should be included wouldn't you agree?
God seems to want to bless man by involving him in the task at hand. The Book of Mormon is said by Mormons to have been written by a certain period. There is no real evidence aside from what they repute. Also, the Bible is about the lineage of Jesus and the prophetic message of His coming and eventual return. The Book of Mormon is not, with Jesus only appearing in the story regarding events supposed to be happening in the New World.
Some people here would do well looking at BookofMormonEvidences.org! Also, Little Nipper, The Book of Revelation appears last in the Bible, but it was not the last Biblical Book written. John was banished to the Isle of Patmos in 95 AD, and was released in 96 AD. It was after this time that he wrote 1 John, 2 John, and 3 John. Albion, what can I say? You once again win the prize for the dumbest post. IS IT NOT TRUE?!?
Drifting wrote:If asking God for a sign is wrong why did SWK ask God to give him a sign if the decision to reverse the Priesthood ban was wrong?
If asking God for a sign is wrong why does Moroni implore people to seek a sign in confirmation of the Book of Mormon?
If asking God for a sign is wrong why do you need signs as part of the Temple ceremony?
If asking God for a sign is wrong why do Mormon's think that God gives them lot's of signs e.g. finding car keys etc?
Silly Drifting,
When we are praying for guidance and direction, we receive our answers from God via Spirit to spirit.
It is physical evidence for the purpose of deciding if we will believe in God or accept Christ we should not be seeking. When the Bible teaches against sign seeking, it is speaking about people asking for something they can see or hear with their physical eyes and ears; NOT their spiritual eyes and ears.
Seeking for physical signs in order to build a case for yourself to allow yourself to believe is manifesting an absence of faith or spiritual awareness and rebirth. OTOH, praying to God for help with something we are dealing with on the earth after we already believe, is manifesting faith that we believe God IS going to help.
As far as the signs in the Temple; these were not things which we were seeking for. Rather, they were things which were taught to us by God.
Themis wrote: Interesting that no one can explain why their interpretation must be true and not all those other ones that conflict with theirs. The spiritual is most likely created by our bodies and then interpreted based on how we see the world and what we may want to believe.
Hi Themis,
On the contrary, I have seen posters who have explained to you why interpretations can appear to be in conflict. However, since you have not been spiritually reborn (or if in the past you had been, you have since rejected it and prefer the physical world), you will not be able to see the Truth in their comments.
LittleNipper wrote:Well, My guess is that if any of the Mormon literature contradicts the Book of Revelation then the Mormons have a serious problem; however, if the book of Revelation was the last book written and written by an Apostile, John may have been placing the closing seal on the Word of God ---- closing God's dissertation with man and that would also be a very serious issue for Mormons.
Fortunately for all of us, the book of Revelation was not the last book written by an Apostle. In fact, more of John's writings, which he wrote after his Revelation, are also canonized. The books in the New Testament are not listed in the order that they were written.
LittleNipper wrote:God didn't stop speaking with man, He simply may have nothing more to add to His message of salvation. That does not mean that God doesn't answer prayer, it would simply mean that perfection of His message was reached.
God has never stopped speaking to mankind in general; nor has He stopped speaking His message of salvation. The Holy Ghost leads us to all Truth. When Father deems we are ready, we receive more Truth. I would like to add that individually we receive that portion of the whole Truth which we are able to handle being revealed to us. Since each of us are on our own personal journey, and no two journeys are exactly alike, it can appear that people receive "conflicting" Truth. Once we can understand this concept, we can make greater progress because we do not become concerned with why another person may not share all of the beliefs which we as individuals believe. This also helps to be more receptive to Truth as we are then more inclined to keep our hearts and our minds open. It is difficult for the Holy Ghost to share wisdom and knowledge and Truth with someone who has closed their heart and mind.
Themis wrote:Interesting that no one can explain why their interpretation must be true and not all those other ones that conflict with theirs. The spiritual is most likely created by our bodies and then interpreted based on how we see the world and what we may want to believe.
"Interesting"? hardly, because what you say does not actually occur..more interesting is how you claim something to be interesting then discount that claim immediately. As to the 'psychosomatic' ramblings, you confuse a runny nose with a cold...as to say, you would have us all believe that the symptom is the cause. Nice speculation on your part, but it is interesting how it has no foundation.
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Themis wrote:Yes the Book of Mormon makes objective truth claims that can be tested, and they come up very short.
perhaps you would like to pick a particular point to argue, rather than moving the goalposts. Either you want to argue about "objective truth claims" or "criticisms"... HERE
Seek freedom and become captive of your desires...seek discipline and find your liberty I can tell if a person is judgmental just by looking at them what is chaos to the fly is normal to the spider - morticia addams If you're not upsetting idiots, you might be an idiot. - Ted Nugent