The LDS members and the Kingdom of God

[_ludwigm]

... if they wish to help their fellow man then you will find many on the street that need your help. Find people with no internet connection...

[_Franktalk]

Ludwigm,

I love your cartoons. Yes there are some who would give up their birthright for a good meal. In some circles a drug can get you almost anything. It is a sad commentary on humans. Even in nature some animals exhibit the same kinds of behavior. I have seen Humming birds wait for days until the sweet nectar in a feeder ferments into alcohol. Then they fight over the juice.

[_Themis]

Have you ever had a fly buzz around you yet each time you seek to swat it it moved off as if it knows you have focused attention to its destruction. I feel that way sometimes here on this board.

Yep, the best way to deal with that fly is state the truth as best you can then ignore it. It will buzz off eventually.

I love how some cannot deal with the issues, but instead attack the person instead. I know I piss you off by bringing up your inconsistency about the Book of Abraham and especially go ask God(something that has never worked for you). Frank just rambles a lot without any substance. You cannot provide substance to his substance-less posts.

[_Themis]

I have looked into other religions, Themis, and have found they are lacking. They have very little knowledge of Adam and Eve as well as their Christian roots.

Of course they have little knowledge of Adam and Eve. They are fictitious characters of another religion. I still doubt you know much of eastern religions. You can't even answer a simple question of why they should believe christian stories over there own.

[_Franktalk]

Have you ever wondered about true worth. I have pondered it on many occasions. What is more valuable to you, gold or a good friend? Or how about those things we retain even after death. People say you can't take your money with you. I think that is true. But I do believe that the love of friends and family does go with you as you move into the next plane of existence. And what of knowledge? I suspect knowledge does as well but I think the physics of the next plane is going to be different than here. I sure hope so. I would like deeper senses and a more supportive environment. One in which pest are removed and the restraints on life is removed. But there is so much more here to do.

[_Themis]

What is more valuable to you, gold or a good friend?

"I don't care about losing all the money, it's losing all the stuff!"

You can have all the gold in the world, but it won't mean much if you don't have good relationships. We are social animals and we need each other to really be happy.

[_Franktalk]

I think I will leave the reservation a bit to describe some possibilities about the Kingdom of God.

Let us start with something we can wrap our minds around. Let us say that a computer is a tool for us to use. It has its own programming and we can issue commands for the device to perform what we wish it to do. We can even set up the programming so it runs on its own. We just intervene when we wish to. The computer can have vision systems and audio systems. It can have mechanical sensors and motor drive systems. It has memory and recall. The computer can learn from mistakes and modify its own programming like in A.I. systems. But in the end the computer is but a tool. Now let us say that the interface to the computer that the person uses is not a keyboard, or mouse. But instead some new path of communication like radio waves but something we can't detect using our technology. Now let us give the computer a form so it can become mobile. Like a robot. Then let us make the components of the robot very small and make subsystems that repair itself. Then we can make the robot seek an energy source so it can maintain itself. Then we can make the robot replicate itself so a new user can use the offspring as a tool. Then we can envision another layer of reality. A layer in which we have a being that has dominion over the users. And this being brings the users to forget that they are separate from the computer. In this many users embrace the computer and fall trap to the computer universe. But some realize that the computer universe is not the true reality.

Now one day the computer / robot for one user was struck by a meteor and was destroyed. The user was given back their memories that they had before they entered the computer world. The user could recall a time in which the death of the robot seemed important but now not so much.

We are the user of this body of flesh. Our soul communicates with this tool. Our soul is already in the Kingdom of God. We just don't have the ability to perceive it yet.

[_Themis]

I think I will leave the reservation a bit to describe some possibilities about the Kingdom of God.

Let us start with something we can wrap our minds around. Let us say that a computer is a tool for us to use. It has its own programming and we can issue commands for the device to perform what we wish it to do. We can even set up the programming so it runs on its own. We just intervene when we wish to. The computer can have vision systems and audio systems. It can have mechanical sensors and motor drive systems. It has memory and recall. The computer can learn from mistakes and modify its own programming like in A.I. systems. But in the end the computer is but a tool. Now let us say that the interface to the computer that the person uses is not a keyboard, or mouse. But instead some new path of communication like radio waves but something we can't detect using our technology. Now let us give the computer a form so it can become mobile. Like a robot. Then let us make the components of the robot very small and make subsystems that repair itself. Then we can make the robot seek an energy source so it can maintain itself. Then we can make the robot replicate itself so a new user can use the offspring as a tool. Then we can envision another layer of reality. A layer in which we have a being that has dominion over the users. And this being brings the users to forget that they are separate from the computer. In this many users embrace the computer and fall trap to the computer universe. But some realize that the computer universe is not the true reality.

Now one day the computer / robot for one user was struck by a meteor and was destroyed. The user was given back their memories that they had before they entered the computer world. The user could recall a time in which the death of the robot seemed important but now not so much.

We are the user of this body of flesh. Our soul communicates with this tool. Our soul is already in the Kingdom of God. We just don't have the ability to perceive it yet.

You and nipper should get together. You both like to ramble on about nothing.

[_Franktalk]

There is a reason I described the user and the computer. I think it is very similar to what our reality is actually like. And if you are willing to step outside of normal science you can actually see the detail of experiments that show exactly what I am talking about. Let me go over some history in science to make my point.

"In the 1920s Harvard University psychologist William McDougall did experiments for 15 years in which rats learned to escape from a tank. The first generation of rats averaged 200 mistakes before they learned the right way out; the last generation 20 mistakes. McDougall concluded that, contrary to accepted genetic science, such acquired knowledge could be inherited."

http://www.co-intelligence.org/P-moreon ... cflds.html

McDougall assumed incorrectly that the only way rats could learn generation to generation was from inheritance. His data showed Larmarkian transfer of knowledge if you accepted his assumptions. His experiment took twenty years to run so things were a mess in evolutionary circles until:

"In later efforts to duplicate McDougall's experiments in Australia, similar rats made fewer mistakes right from the start. Later generations of rats did better even when they were not descendants of the earlier rats. This wasn't genetics at work. It was something else. Nobody tested it further."

http://www.co-intelligence.org/P-moreon ... cflds.html

The whole reason of the experiment was to disprove Larmarkian transfer of knowledge. The second experiment did just that. But the details were very interesting for those interested in things outside of evolutionary theory. The experiment was done in the sixties yet the rats started where the rats of the 1920's left off. And the rats of the sixties were not descendants of the earlier experiment. So how did the rats learn with no direct biological connection and spanning a period of forty years? And how was it that the control rats that did not grow up in the maze were fast like like the ones that did grow up generation to generation in the maze?

I will propose that knowledge is common among a species because that knowledge rest outside of the brain in some undetected realm of existence. Those who don't like this line of reasoning are free to propose alternative explanations.

From my studies this is as close to proof of the spiritual realm I have come across. I thought I would post this data for those who may not be familiar with these experiments. And of course there will be those who will attack what I say but rest assured they will be unable to change the data.

[_gdemetz]

Themis, are you trying to say that you may believe those shallow other so called religions, but not Judeo/Christian teachings, including all the true prophets?