Book of Mormon a Stolen Novel?

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Re: Book of Mormon a Stolen Novel?

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LittleNipper wrote:
Tobin wrote:Ah, the good old Solomon Spalding wrote the Book of Mormon theory. I actually like it when critics of Joseph Smith use this. It demonstrates yet again that they have no credibility what-so-ever.
Why would you say that? The Book of Mormon is a rehash of Bible themes and simply moves that theme to the New World. People who could read certainly were well versed in the Bible back then. For some, the Bible was the only book they ever read. I can certainly see a guy wanting to write a religious novel, with a biblical moral theme. And it isn't impossible that the man died before he published it. Someone come along and says, "Whow, this is really neat, and the rest is history...
The reality is the Book of Mormon rests entirely on the Bible for a point of reference (meaning the Bible was read/written first). All the books of the Bible stand alone and can be read and understood on their own merits. Read the Book of Mormon without thinking about the Bible and the stories become simply a mish-mash.

What does any of that have to do with the Solomon Spalding origin of the Book of Mormon? And besides that, your argument is ill-conceived. Of course the Book of Mormon looks like the Bible because it is scripture. If you wish to know that, all you have to do is speak to God about it to learn the truth for yourself.
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MCB wrote:Just do a search for Solomon Spalding search.php
and you will find plenty of information. You can also explore this website http://www.solomonspalding.com/
The owner of that website occasionally stops by.
Have fun.


It certainly has possibilities even if not enough evidence to know for sure at this point. I like how Tobin and subby only want to get into assertions of how dumb it is, but never get into some substance and demonstrate how it is either not possible or unlikely. LittleNipper, you might also want to check out View of the Hebrews. While I don't think they copied from the story, they have to many similarities to be coincidence. What it does show is that VOH and Book of Mormon have the same source.
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Themis wrote:
MCB wrote:Just do a search for Solomon Spalding http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/search.php
and you will find plenty of information. You can also explore this website http://www.solomonspalding.com/
The owner of that website occasionally stops by.
Have fun.
It certainly has possibilities even if not enough evidence to know for sure at this point. I like how Tobin and subby only want to get into assertions of how dumb it is, but never get into some substance and demonstrate how it is either not possible or unlikely. LittleNipper, you might also want to check out View of the Hebrews. While I don't think they copied from the story, they have to many similarities to be coincidence. What it does show is that VOH and Book of Mormon have the same source.
Themis, you'd believe in the tooth fairy if it would help in your crusade to demonstrate Mormonism is false.
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Tobin wrote:Themis, you'd believe in the tooth fairy if it would help in your crusade to demonstrate Mormonism is false.


And we still see no substance, so better just attack the person to distract that you cannot or don't want to provide real substance to the issue of the thread. Maybe try and provide substantive reasons why the Spualding theory is not likely.
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Themis wrote:
Tobin wrote:Themis, you'd believe in the tooth fairy if it would help in your crusade to demonstrate Mormonism is false.
And we still see no substance, so better just attack the person to distract that you cannot or don't want to provide real substance to the issue of the thread. Maybe try and provide substantive reasons why the Spualding theory is not likely.
Why should I? I view it as completely ridiculous. If it was your belief that elves wrote the Book of Mormon, would you expect me to give substantive reasons beyond the fact that elves don't exist. The same is true here. The theory is based on pure fiction and fairy dust.
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Tobin wrote:Why should I? I view it as completely ridiculous. If it was your belief that elves wrote the Book of Mormon, would you expect me to give substantive reasons beyond the fact that elves don't exist. The same is true here. The theory is based on pure fiction and fairy dust.


So no substance coming from Tobin? Not a surprise. by the way Spualding(not an elf) was a real person and wrote 2 stories, one of which we have, so yes there is evidence to support the theory. I don't think it is enough to be conclusive. I think VoH is more compelling that the Book of Mormon was taken out of 19th century.
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Themis wrote:
Tobin wrote:Why should I? I view it as completely ridiculous. If it was your belief that elves wrote the Book of Mormon, would you expect me to give substantive reasons beyond the fact that elves don't exist. The same is true here. The theory is based on pure fiction and fairy dust.
So no substance coming from Tobin? Not a surprise. by the way Spualding(not an elf) was a real person and wrote 2 stories, one of which we have, so yes there is evidence to support the theory. I don't think it is enough to be conclusive. I think VoH is more compelling that the Book of Mormon was taken out of 19th century.
:lol: This coming from someone that has faith in tooth fairies because it helps him believe Mormonism is false. Themis, you have no credibility. If you did, you'd produce a copy of the mythical "Manuscript Found". Unless and until then, I stand by my assertion that you will peddle anything in your crusade to disprove Mormonism.
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Tobin,
In the like manner please produce the golden plates. Then we can determine which truly served as impetus.
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SteelHead wrote:Tobin, I the like manner please produce the golden plates. Then we can determine which truly server as impetus.
We have copies of it to examine SteelHead. It's called the Book of Mormon FYI. This is not the case for the mythical "Manuscript Found".
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Re: Book of Mormon a Stolen Novel?

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We have the Book of Mormon, not the plates. The challenge is to produce the source material for the Book of Mormon, be it manuscript lost or the plates.

Now produce your source.
It is better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener at war.

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