Book of Mormon a Stolen Novel?

[_Tobin]

You said the papyrus had nothing to do with the Book of Abraham as the Egyptians would not have copied it. Where is there any evidence then for the original?

Again, we have the Book of Abraham. Think about it really slowly. If the Book of Abraham is true, it had to come from somewhere... I know it is hard, but you'll grasp the concept.

[_SteelHead]

You are working backward from the conclusion. I can make the same argument: if someone referenced a missing spaulding manuscript it must have existed else the reference wouldn't exist.

[_Tobin]

You are working backward from the conclusion. I can make the same argument: if someone referenced a missing spaulding manuscript it must have existed else the reference wouldn't exist.

Non-sequitur. We don't have the Spaulding manuscript. We have the Book of Abraham. It exists. Honest. You can read it. You can't read the mythical spaulding manuscript. Get it yet?

[_SteelHead]

I can't read the mythical spaulding manuscript but I can read the mythical Book of Abraham translated from a mythical manuscript written by Abraham that no one has ever seen, but which isn't the Joseph Smith papyrus.

Got it.

Now if I go out and produce a document and claim it is the spaulding documnet, revealed to me by god, by your logic it must be. I am allowed numerous anachronisms, and historical absurdities.

[_Tobin]

I can't read the mythical spaulding manuscript but I can read the mythical Book of Abraham translated from a mythical manuscript written by Abraham that no one has ever seen, but which isn't the Joseph Smith papyrus.

Got it.

Now if I go out and produce a document and claim it is the spaulding documnet, revealed to me by god, by your logic it must be. I am allowed numerous anachronisms, and historical absurdities.

No, you don't got it. I said, "If the Book of Abraham is true - then such and such". You really have a problem adopting and understanding that position for some reason?!? Now, I understand you don't believe it is true and you have your "reasons" for it. They aren't good reasons because Mormonism is built on the foundation of really speaking with God to know it is true. Since you haven't done that, you just pretend it isn't true because that is more comfortable for you.

[_SteelHead]

Tobin,
I keep telling you I talk with god and he says the Book of Abraham was the result of a bad bottle of wine.

God said if he had produced it, the Book of Abraham wouldn't contain so many absurdities and anachronisms.

[_Themis]

:lol: This coming from someone that has faith in tooth fairies because it helps him believe Mormonism is false. Themis, you have no credibility.

You accuse me of having faith in tooth fairies, which we all know is a lie, and you say I am the one who has no credibility.

If you did, you'd produce a copy of the mythical "Manuscript Found". Unless and until then, I stand by my assertion that you will peddle anything in your crusade to disprove Mormonism.

If you would have a more open mind you might then try to read what I actually say and not jump to conclusions about what I haven't said. There is evidence that he wrote two stories, and yes we only have one that we can look at. The other, if it existed, we don't have currently. If Joseph did borrow from it, I think it likely they would have destroyed it. I suspect you don't know much about it, but let me know if you want to go over the different evidences for or against the spalding theory. I personally have not made any conclusion either way. I don't need to in order to evaluate whether the Book of Mormon is a 19th century production or an ancient text.

[_Themis]

We have the Book of Mormon, not the plates. The challenge is to produce the source material for the Book of Mormon, be it manuscript lost or the plates.

Now produce your source.

You can access the source anytime you wish. The source was God. Speak to God if you want to know if it is true. That has always been the Moroni challenge, whether you understand it or not.

Do you, since it has never worked for you either.

[_Themis]

The point is to get you to speak with God and from there establish the truth. That is what Mormonism is or should be about.

How do you know many here haven't tried over decades. It didn't work for you either.

[_Themis]

The Egyptians obviously would have no interest in preserving that account and would instead have written stories into the copies they made of their own invention and mythos.

A made up idea with absolutely no evidence, and stupid. They would never have used a text from Abraham. They have their own religion. A desperate theory with no merit.

He made the bad assumption it was like the gold plates and a true account of what occurred. In this case, he was mistaken.

Why even jump to a stupid conclusion in the first place about Abraham or Joseph. Why then translate individual hieroglyphs and facsimiles. Now God is being deceptive and stupid.

Now back to the OP.