Bible verse by verse

[_bcuzbcuz]

Genesis 1:24-31 God makes land creatures (both domestic and wild). Then God made man in His image of HIs Godhead (triune in form = body, soul, spirit). God placed man in charge of all other living things. God created both male and female. God gave man and animals all the fruit, seeds, nuts for food. And all the green plants were given to the creatures to eat also. God saw this to be good and this was the 6th day of creation --- evening and morning.

24 And God said, “Let the land produce living creatures according to their kinds: the livestock, the creatures that move along the ground, and the wild animals, each according to its kind.” And it was so. 25 God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.
26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

27 So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky and over every living creature that moves on the ground. ”

29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food. ” And it was so.

31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning —the sixth day.

Do plants have souls or spirits?

[_LittleNipper]

Plants were created first and for food. They are not living souls. Eating grass would be like giving the earth a haircut in a perfect world. My belief is that after the Fall, some animals began eating the dead and the dying.

[_SteelHead]

So as the lifecycle of micro organisms is necessary for the natural biological process of decaying waste.... Did the waste from eating and processing plants just accumulate?

[Guest]

So as the lifecycle of micro organisms is necessary for the natural biological process of decaying waste.... Did the waste from eating and processing plants just accumulate?

My take is that God established a perfectly ballanced ecological system that allowed for the processing of natural things in a way that was perfectly benign to all the living creatures on earth. In other words, sin disrupted this perfection and caused various organisms to assume dangerous roles.

[_LittleNipper]

Genesis 2:1-3
The space and matter were completed, as was everything that then depended on that space and matter. So done, God rested from all the work He had accomplished. God in so doing blessed the seventh day and made it special (setting for us the example).

Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

1 And the heavens and the earth are completed, and all their host;

2 and God completeth by the seventh day His work which He hath made, and ceaseth by the seventh day from all His work which He hath made.

3 And God blesseth the seventh day, and sanctifieth it, for in it He hath ceased from all His work which God had prepared for making.

[_LittleNipper]

Genesis 2:4-15

This is a more detailed revelation of the creation process of the space and matter in the day of Jehovah more specific & detailed. At first there were no plants, no rain, and no man to cultvate the ground. Then a mist went up from the ground and brought water to the ground. God then formed man from dust and blew into his nostrils life's breath and man became a living being. God planted a garden east of Eden and placed the man there. And God caused to sprout both beautiful trees plus those for food , and a Tree of Knowledge was placed in the center of this garden. And one river ran through the garden from Eden to water it and this river split into 4 rivers where it existed the garden. Pison, was the first surrounding the whole land of the Havilah where there was good gold, bdolach (possibly pearl) and the shoham (possibly onox) stone. The second river Gibon surrounding the whole land of Cush. The third river Hiddekel went east of Asshur. The fourth river was called Phrat. And God had the man both rest in and tend to the garden


4 These [are] births of the heavens and of the earth in their being prepared, in the day of Jehovah God's making earth and heavens;

5 and no shrub of the field is yet in the earth, and no herb of the field yet sprouteth, for Jehovah God hath not rained upon the earth, and a man there is not to serve the ground,

6 and a mist goeth up from the earth, and hath watered the whole face of the ground.

7 And Jehovah God formeth the man -- dust from the ground, and breatheth into his nostrils breath of life, and the man becometh a living creature.

8 And Jehovah God planteth a garden in Eden, at the east, and He setteth there the man whom He hath formed;

9 and Jehovah God causeth to sprout from the ground every tree desirable for appearance, and good for food, and the tree of life in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

10 And a river is going out from Eden to water the garden, and from thence it is parted, and hath become four chief [rivers];

11 the name of the one [is] Pison, it [is] that which is surrounding the whole land of the Havilah where the gold [is],

12 and the gold of that land [is] good, there [is] the bdolach and the shoham stone;

13 and the name of the second river [is] Gibon, it [is] that which is surrounding the whole land of Cush;

14 and the name of the third river [is] Hiddekel, it [is] that which is going east of Asshur; and the fourth river is Phrat.

15 And Jehovah God taketh the man, and causeth him to rest in the garden of Eden, to serve it, and to keep it.

[_SteelHead]

Nipper,
You ever studied the lifecycle of a mayfly? Say calibeatis for instance?

[_LittleNipper]

Nipper,
You ever studied the lifecycle of a mayfly? Say calibeatis for instance?

The mayfly has been affected by the Fall as has everything else. While I believe God has allowed variation within species so that each species may cope within a changing environment, God has never allowed one species to split into two or more different species. What the mayfly once did and how it once interacted in say the Garden, is most likely not how it fully behaves after the Fall and the Flood likely also affected this behavior pattern --- with God's interaction. God has allowed for individual variety. However, this is best discussed on a thread devoted to evolution ------ if you get my drift...

[Guest]

So you are saying that the species built by god in the creation and declared by god to be good, were re-engineered after the fall, or flood.... As the mayfly life cycle would never work somewhere without death, nor somewhere without rain and snow, and the changes in ph and salinity of the flood would have wiped them all out.

Have any support for that? (The adapting or re engineering)

This is not a question about evolution rather a question about the validity of a literal Bible belief.

[_LittleNipper]

So you are saying that the species built by god in the creation and declared by god to be good, were re-engineered after the fall, or flood..

Have any support for that?

The fossil record caused mostly by the FLOOD, does show more species once existed and that there were changes. It is also likely that evil men prior to the FLOOD may have been involved in forms of genetics, and this amounted to violence (not only between themselves) but violence towards all of God's creation, as man strove to be like GOD.