Jefferson Tells the Truth

[_subgenius]

Which Priesthood?

You ask as if there are choices....a bit naïve, doncha think?

[_Drifting]

Which Priesthood?

You ask as if there are choices....a bit naïve, doncha think?

Well during the temple movie Satan talks about his Priesthoods.
I think the s on the end of the word Priesthood indicates there are more than one...doncha think?

[_Albion]

subgenius, it is clear from your recent posts that you have not been following the discussion between gedemtz and myself on this subject. To respond to all your references would be mere repetition. Since you bring up Psalm 110 I will respond top that. This is a clear prophesy about Christ and not a general prophesy with regard to any kind of priesthood for anyone else. Only Jesus as the only person to fully keep the Law in its entirety is worthy to hold a priesthood named after the King of Salem, a man so holy that even Abraham gave him tithes. No one until Jesus was worthy in any way to ascend to that priesthood...he, and he alone, is our high priest FOREVER. We need no other as is made clear from Hebrews. The priests of Israel did not hold the MP. The end of priestly needs except through Jesus, together with the need for temple sacrifice, was done away forever when Christ entered the "holy of holies" and offered himself ONCE AND FOR ALL. The rending of the massive veil of the temple is the symbolic statement of this fact...man has full access to God because we have a High Priest who sits at his right hand of the Father making intercession on behalf of believers. It was necessary for Jesus to attain to this holiest of priesthoods because even he was not of the tribe of Levi to whom priestly duties were assigned.

I looked at your references and I repeat there is not a single New Testament reference that uses the term priesthood be it Levitical of MP. The term elder is not a priesthood office in New Testament in the way Mormons see it. Elder is a term of respect for a leader, overseer is sometimes used, or some one called (set apart in Mormon terms) for a specific task. To me one of the greatest blasphemies of Mormonism is the usurping of a holy priesthood that rightfully belongs only to Jesus and I believe you claim it at your eternal peril.

[_gdemetz]

Albion, how many times can you be wrong before you get too shy to post here? "Priests and kings," Albion. Also, you apparently don't know even what the word ordain means. Therefore, I will define it for you. Here is the definition from the Free {not bound by false creeds} Dictionary:

" Ordain; to invest with ministerial or priestly authority; confer holy orders on"

"YE ALSO AS LIVELY STONES, ARE BUILT UP A SPIRITUAL HOUSE, AN HOLY PRIESTHOOD, TO OFFER UP SPIRITUAL SACRIFICES, ACCEPTABLE TO GOD BY Jesus Christ." 1 Peter 2:5

Who are offering these spiritual sacrifices, Albion?!?

"BUT YE ARE A CHOSEN GENERATION, A ROYAL PRIESTHOOD, AN HOLY NATION, A PECULIAR PEOPLE; THAT YE SHOULD SHOW FORTH THE PRAISES OF HIM WHO HATH CALLED YOU OUT OF DARKNESS INTO HIS MARVELOUS LIGHT." 1 Peter 2:9

Who has the priesthood here, Albion?!? And. please don't give me that evangelical priesthood of the believers bull. There is not one verse in the Bible that states that it is received by only belief. That's just brainwashed hogwash. By the way, you and Nipper are avoiding my questions and Biblical quotes and still only spouting out evangelical hogwash.

[_Albion]

And now, according to gdemetz, the Oxford English Dictionary, the ultimate source for the English language, is bound by "false creeds". Again, gdemetz, a single verse that uses the word Levitical or MP. You can keep repeating yourself over and over but it doesn't change anything. I would like you to answer one question though. What was the significance of the temple veil being torn from top to bottom?

[_Albion]

Drifting, it is interesting that in the Mormon temple ritual, Satan indicates that the apron he is wearing is the sign of his priesthood....yet all those in attendance are wearing the same apron.

[_Drifting]

subgenius, it is clear from your recent posts that you have not been following the discussion between gedemtz and myself on this subject. To respond to all your references would be mere repetition. Since you bring up Psalm 110 I will respond top that. This is a clear prophesy about Christ and not a general prophesy with regard to any kind of priesthood for anyone else. Only Jesus as the only person to fully keep the Law in its entirety is worthy to hold a priesthood named after the King of Salem, a man so holy that even Abraham gave him tithes. No one until Jesus was worthy in any way to ascend to that priesthood...he, and he alone, is our high priest FOREVER. We need no other as is made clear from Hebrews. The priests of Israel did not hold the MP. The end of priestly needs except through Jesus, together with the need for temple sacrifice, was done away forever when Christ entered the "holy of holies" and offered himself ONCE AND FOR ALL. The rending of the massive veil of the temple is the symbolic statement of this fact...man has full access to God because we have a High Priest who sits at his right hand of the Father making intercession on behalf of believers. It was necessary for Jesus to attain to this holiest of priesthoods because even he was not of the tribe of Levi to whom priestly duties were assigned.

I looked at your references and I repeat there is not a single New Testament reference that uses the term priesthood be it Levitical of MP. The term elder is not a priesthood office in New Testament in the way Mormons see it. Elder is a term of respect for a leader, overseer is sometimes used, or some one called (set apart in Mormon terms) for a specific task. To me one of the greatest blasphemies of Mormonism is the usurping of a holy priesthood that rightfully belongs only to Jesus and I believe you claim it at your eternal peril.

Albion, it may help you to think of subgenius as a slightly more grown up version of gdemetz...but don't expect substance nor supportive facts from either of them...

[_Drifting]

Drifting, it is interesting that in the Mormon temple ritual, Satan indicates that the apron he is wearing is the sign of his priesthood....yet all those in attendance are wearing the same apron.

It is also interesting that Satan has by far the biggest speaking part in the movie, it's as if it's all about Satan...

[_Albion]

I think Jesus is relegated to a minor role in most of Mormonism. In Mormon theology even his death and resurrection only provide a partial salvation, or more properly resurrection, and everyone apparently gets that even if they don't believe in him. The rest is all effort or works on the part of the individual Mormon. The whole temple ritual of handshakes denies, to me, the essential sufficiency of Christ for salvation which is taught by the Bible.

[_Samantabhadra]

I think Jesus is relegated to a minor role in most of Mormonism. In Mormon theology even his death and resurrection only provide a partial salvation, or more properly resurrection, and everyone apparently gets that even if they don't believe in him. The rest is all effort or works on the part of the individual Mormon. The whole temple ritual of handshakes denies, to me, the essential sufficiency of Christ for salvation which is taught by the Bible.

Yup. It all makes sense if you consider Mormonism a type of Gnostic heresy. Freemasonry is all about the transcendental Self, turning one's self into a type of god, and Mormonism has never managed to escape--never even really tried to escape--its Masonic legacy.