Book of Mormon a Stolen Novel?

[_Drifting]

So is the repetitious nature of the Sacrament prayer against this instruction?

clearly there is a difference between a vain repetition and just a repetition.....(hint: vain being the keyword)
your reasoning is flawed.

Can you show me where, in my question (hint: that's what a question mark denotes), I gave reasoning?

[_LittleNipper]

Matthew 6:1-13 We are provided with a model prayer by Jesus, but that doesn't mean that this is how God demands all prayer to be. And God doesn't tell Christians that they have to wear a hat or remove one's hat. There is nothing saying Christians must cross themselves, stand, sit, kneel, or lay prone on the ground. Prayer rugs are not mandatory. And one doesn't need to pray in sackcloth and ashes. I have prayed lying in bed, walking in a store, and driving my car (so I do not always close my eyes). Rituals are not bad, but they can become mechanical. Everything God does say indicates that God is not happy with the mundane....

1 `Take heed your kindness not to do before men, to be seen by them, and if not -- reward ye have not from your Father who [is] in the heavens;

2 whenever, therefore, thou mayest do kindness, thou mayest not sound a trumpet before thee as the hypocrites do, in the synagogues, and in the streets, that they may have glory from men; verily I say to you -- they have their reward!

3 `But thou, doing kindness, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doth,

4 that thy kindness may be in secret, and thy Father who is seeing in secret Himself shall reward thee manifestly.

5 `And when thou mayest pray, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites, because they love in the synagogues, and in the corners of the broad places -- standing -- to pray, that they may be seen of men; verily I say to you, that they have their reward.

6 `But thou, when thou mayest pray, go into thy chamber, and having shut thy door, pray to thy Father who [is] in secret, and thy Father who is seeing in secret, shall reward thee manifestly.

7 `And -- praying -- ye may not use vain repetitions like the nations, for they think that in their much speaking they shall be heard,

8 be ye not therefore like to them, for your Father doth know those things that ye have need of before your asking him;

9 thus therefore pray ye: `Our Father who [art] in the heavens! hallowed be Thy name.

10 `Thy reign come: Thy will come to pass, as in heaven also on the earth.

11 `Our appointed bread give us to-day.

12 `And forgive us our debts, as also we forgive our debtors.

13 `And mayest Thou not lead us to temptation, but deliver us from the evil, because Thine is the reign, and the power, and the glory -- to the ages. Amen.

[_subgenius]

Can you show me where, in my question (hint: that's what a question mark denotes), I gave reasoning?

yes, unless there is another cause fr you to inquire the following...

So is the repetitious nature of the Sacrament prayer against this instruction?

if that was not your reasoning then you have no cause to raise such a question

[_gdemetz]

The sacrament prayer is stated for the bread and the water only one time a week normally. I don't think that would hardly qualify as vain repetitions, or much speaking.

[_Albion]

Unless, of course, the youth doing the reading stumbles over a word or phrase and must keep saying it over and over and over from the beginning until he gets it right. That, my friend, is vain repetition any way you look at it.

[_gdemetz]

You don't know what you are talking about Albion! I guess I should be used to that by now! Christ instructed those exact words to be used when administering the sacrament, so, of course, if someone made a serious verbal blunder and stated the wrong thing represented, then they would need to correct that just as if someone said a name wrong duuring an ordinance.

However, the most damning and vain repetition of all time is, perhaps, the so called sinners prayer which has been repeated millions of times with the false hope of salvation when in fact it has saved no one!

[_Albion]

The "sinners prayer" has no written form, gdemetz, as well you know and changes and changes according to the prayer. Also, it is usually a prayer said only on ce by the repentant sinner. The whole point, I think, of vain repetition is the saying of the same prayer over and over and over and over. The Mormon sacrament prayer more accurately fits the bill. Vain repetition == over and over and over the same.

[_gdemetz]

How many Baptist churches have I attended over the years, Albion?! Many! And, those silly alter calls always say to invite Christ into your heart and be saved forever! That is the vain repetition because it is vain hogwash. It is neither Christian or Biblical. Christ instituted that sacrament prayer which is said only once a week. If you have a problem with that, then maybe you should take that up with Him and tell Him He is wrong! "Ordinations," Albion.

[_Drifting]

How many Baptist churches have I attended over the years, Albion?! Many! And, those silly alter calls always say to invite Christ into your heart and be saved forever! That is the vain repetition because it is vain hogwash. It is neither Christian or Biblical. Christ instituted that sacrament prayer which is said only once a week. If you have a problem with that, then maybe you should take that up with Him and tell Him He is wrong! "Ordinations," Albion.

Why did Packer the Apstle tell missionaries that they were to keep repeating their testimony until they were able to believe it?

[_gdemetz]

Drifting, are you assuming that if one gives his testimony that he will memorize it until it becomes a vain repetition, or what?!