Why I don't believe the story of the Great Flood...

[_businessman05]

Quick thought- the Brother of Jared built a boat like unto the ark- sealed- according to God's direction. The intensity of the flood could have been so great at the beginning, no boat that was not submarine like could have survived. Have we not seen footage of Tsunami's? Imagine Tsunami waves with Hurricane rain and winds in walls of water. To say it flooded the whole earth may or may not have been necessary. God destroyed every living thing except for those he had chosen to survive and this could have happened in the first few minutes with Hurricanes, Earthquakes and Tsunamis. End of discussion if you have Faith in God. If you choose to question every miracle that happened in the Bible, it is possible you can prove to yourself that nothing happened especially if we apply modern science to every instance. Or, you can believe and be at peace. I find that when I question the miracles in the Bible and Book of Mormon, then the stories aren't the problem, my heart is the problem. What is there about me that refuses to believe? By not being humble enough to accept the history of man's relationship to God as outlined in the Scriptures, what else am I not humble enough to accept? If I can prove to myself that it did not actually happen, then I can excuse myself in not keeping the commandments and coming before God with a broken heart and contrite spirit. That is the hardest thing to do, more than believing in the Flood. The real question should not be "Why I don't believe the story of the Great Flood. . "
But rather, "What is the reason for me not wanting to believe the story of the Great Flood?"

[_ludwigm]

The phantasm of that old, stupid, stonehead Setterfield is haunting again...

It may seem odd but I believe in many theories. Some of those conflict with each other.
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Rather than attacking the messenger maybe you should instead attack what was said.

I did it in the threads I referenced.

Changing rotation of the Earth? OK.
Changing speed of light? OK.
Changing constants of the physics? OK.

And all of them cease to change in the last decades, when we have the proper devices to measure them exactly? OK.
Final curves, which become linear in A.D. 2000 (now)? OK.

Are we all living in such special slice of the time?

We reached the last days.

You reached the edge of the Earth.

[_Drifting]

The real question should not be "Why I don't believe the story of the Great Flood. . "
But rather, "What is the reason for me not wanting to believe the story of the Great Flood?"

I know this will come as a shock to so perhaps you'd best sit down...
You don't get to determine what questions I ask *gasp*.

Start your own thread entitled "What is the reason for me not wanting to believe the story of the Great Flood?".

[_Franktalk]

Changing rotation of the Earth? OK.
Changing speed of light? OK.
Changing constants of the physics? OK.

We reached the last days.

The changing of the rotation of the earth happens each time we have a major earthquake. We actually can measure a change to the rotation and axis tilt. It does appear that the constants of physics are pretty constant right now. And it appears that things did settle around 1829 or so. But it is my belief that this stasis is driven by God. Peter wrote about it in 2 Peter chapter 3. Here I believe Peter set a date for the last days as Jan 1829.

So for me the stasis is confirmation of God's word and for you it may mean something else. There is a prediction that the speed of light will change again so much so that rainbows will cease. If this happens will you believe in God? Or will you turn instead to the explanations of men?

Yes you and I look at the world differently. And I find that people who hold the views of men as the ultimate truth are reasonable within the framework of their logic. So the real driving arbiter of truth is whether man's logic is complete in its framework. I think you would say it is and I would say it is not.

By the way as I sit here on the edge of the earth I find the view beautiful. You might want to try it sometime.

[_Themis]

There is a small set of people who hold to an expanding earth model. I happen to be one of them. Of course all of the details are not known but there are many data points that show this model as a possible explanation to many of earths features.
I bring this up to show how the earth may have not been the uniform structure many say it is.

Here is a short video on the subject:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJfBSc6e7QQ&feature=related

Another example of a nonlinear past is found in the study of the earth's axis of rotation. Here is a good read about ancient measurements and how they indicate that the earth was shifted on its axis back in 2300 BC.

http://www.setterfield.org/Dodwell_Manuscript_1.html

Now one can accept that man made good observations back in time or one can say that all of their measurements were in error. But what is to stop future scientist from throwing out all that is done today? All of this tossing of data is to protect the holy shrine of uniformitarianism.

It funny to see you run to pseudo science, yet most of what it says you won't accept since it would conflict with your literal views on the Bible. He still has the earth as billions of years old. But we can look closer to see the earth is older then 10k years. You don't even check his claims out.

Now I brought up that science does see people living before and after any claimed flood event. Same goes for animals and plants. There are so many problems that it could take years to bring most of them up.

One other thing you have continued to ignore is dating methods and how different and independent dating methods are used to confirm they are accurate. This is significant, and something I think you miss.

[Guest]

Changing rotation of the Earth? OK.
Changing speed of light? OK.
Changing constants of the physics? OK.

We reached the last days.

The changing of the rotation of the earth happens each time we have a major earthquake. We actually can measure a change to the rotation and axis tilt. It does appear that the constants of physics are pretty constant right now. And it appears that things did settle around 1829 or so. But it is my belief that this stasis is driven by God. Peter wrote about it in 2 Peter chapter 3. Here I believe Peter set a date for the last days as Jan 1829.

So for me the stasis is confirmation of God's word and for you it may mean something else. There is a prediction that the speed of light will change again so much so that rainbows will cease. If this happens will you believe in God? Or will you turn instead to the explanations of men?

Yes you and I look at the world differently. And I find that people who hold the views of men as the ultimate truth are reasonable within the framework of their logic. So the real driving arbiter of truth is whether man's logic is complete in its framework. I think you would say it is and I would say it is not.

By the way as I sit here on the edge of the earth I find the view beautiful. You might want to try it sometime.

And yet you think asserting this crap is somehow evidence for it. Please provide the physics and math for these assertions.

by the way when I say crap I am not talking about what physicists have calculated about changes in the earth's movement due to earth quakes which is extremely small. They have also figured out how the earth changes over time in it's orbits around the sun, and how it's angle to the sun changes as well. Unfortunately for you it is a process that takes much longer then you want.

[_Themis]

Quick thought- the Brother of Jared built a boat like unto the ark- sealed- according to God's direction. The intensity of the flood could have been so great at the beginning, no boat that was not submarine like could have survived. Have we not seen footage of Tsunami's? Imagine Tsunami waves with Hurricane rain and winds in walls of water. To say it flooded the whole earth may or may not have been necessary. God destroyed every living thing except for those he had chosen to survive and this could have happened in the first few minutes with Hurricanes, Earthquakes and Tsunamis. End of discussion if you have Faith in God. If you choose to question every miracle that happened in the Bible, it is possible you can prove to yourself that nothing happened especially if we apply modern science to every instance. Or, you can believe and be at peace. I find that when I question the miracles in the Bible and Book of Mormon, then the stories aren't the problem, my heart is the problem. What is there about me that refuses to believe? By not being humble enough to accept the history of man's relationship to God as outlined in the Scriptures, what else am I not humble enough to accept? If I can prove to myself that it did not actually happen, then I can excuse myself in not keeping the commandments and coming before God with a broken heart and contrite spirit. That is the hardest thing to do, more than believing in the Flood. The real question should not be "Why I don't believe the story of the Great Flood. . "
But rather, "What is the reason for me not wanting to believe the story of the Great Flood?"

How is this approach going to lead a Hindu to the Christian God when it would be telling them to just believe their holy writings. Same for Islam, Wicca, etc.

Some people might actually want to see if the evidence rally supports their beliefs, and many if not most LDS today do not believe in a global flood.

[_Franktalk]

One other thing you have continued to ignore is dating methods and how different and independent dating methods are used to confirm they are accurate. This is significant, and something I think you miss.

The only dating method that I think is reliable is erosion. Even then it depends on an assumption of rainfall. I have studied many forms of dating but they all rely on assumptions I am not willing to make. You may, that is your choice.

[_SteelHead]

So god destroys every living thing with the flood, except those things in the ark.....

Ok so how did kangaroos and koalas get to Australia? How did all of the animals fit in the boat?

Where is the evidence for this global extinction?

How did multiple civilizations continue from before, during, and after the flood? Or better stated, how were they not impacted by all life suddenly kicking the bucket?

[_Samantabhadra]

The only dating method that I think is reliable is erosion.

The computer you're using to see these words wouldn't exist if our understanding of quantum physics were wrong. Our understanding of quantum physics necessitates that half-lives are constant/inherent properties of hadronic matter.