Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?

[_gdemetz]

So? What's your point? Are you trying to say that if one knows all things that he can't create more things?

[_Drifting]

It is absolutely not.

I know you don't want it to be...but it absolutely is.

[_jo1952]

One of the contridictions I find in Book of Mormon is this

God himself is increasing and progressing in knowledge, power, and dominion, and will do so, worlds without end." Wilford Woodruff, Journal of Discourses Vol. 6:120

it contradicts Wilford Woodruff who says God is not Omniscience While Book of Mormon says God is Omniscience

2 Nephi 9:20 O how great the holiness of our God! For he knoweth all things, and there is not anything save he knows it.

Hello Mittens,

I do not see any contradiction. As God continues to create, He certainly is aware that He is doing so, and will know everything that He is going to do before He does it. Therefore, God will continue to know all things. Likewise, by continually creating, then His dominion is also increasing, etc. God is not in a state of stasis. If He were, He would cease to be God.

Blessings,

jo

[_Mittens]

If God did create more things he would know that if he would still be Omniscience.So you think Mormons serve a God that is not Omniscience ?

[_Mittens]

Omniscience

See GOD, KNOWLEDGE, OMNIPOTENCE, OMNIPRESENCE, WISDOM. God is omniscient. (Lectures on Faith, pp. 9, 43-45, 50-51; Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, pp. 5-10.) Omniscience consists in having unlimited knowledge. God knows all things (2 Ne. 9:20; D. & C. 38:1-2; 88:7-13); possesses "a fulness of truth, yea, even of all truth" (D. & C. 93:11, 26); "has all power, all wisdom, and all understanding" (Alma 26:35); is infinite in understanding (Ps. 147:4-5); comprehends all things (Alma 26:35; D. & C. 88:41); and "hath given a law unto all things." (D. & C. 88:42.)

"It is not because the Lord is ignorant of law and truth that he is able to progress, but because of his knowledge and wisdom," President Joseph Fielding Smith has written. "The Lord is constantly using his knowledge in his work. And his great work is in bringing to pass the immortality and eternal life of man. By the creation of worlds and peopling them, by building and extending, he progresses, but not because the fulness of truth is not understood by him." (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, p. 10; D. & C. 84:38; 93:16-17; Matt. 28:18; Moro. 7:22.)

Joseph Smith said: "Without the knowledge of all things God would not be able to save any portion of his creatures; ... and if it were not for the idea existing in the minds of men that God had all knowledge it would be impossible for them to exercise faith in him." (Lectures on Faith, p. 44.)

Mormon Doctrine would seem to disagree with Wilford Woodruff

[_jo1952]

If God did create more things he would know that if he would still be Omniscience.So you think Mormons serve a God that is not Omniscience ?

Hello Mittens,

That is not what I said. I am agreeing that He IS Omnicient. I am also demonstrating how Wilford Woodruff is also in agreement that God is Omnicient.

It is because God IS Omnicient, has unlimited knowledge, knows all things, possesses "a fulness of truth, yea, even of all truth", has all power, all wisdom, and all understanding, is infinite in understanding, comprehends all things, and hath given a law unto all things, that God is able to progress. "God himself is increasing and progressing in knowledge, power, and dominion, and will do so, worlds without end."

If God did not increase and progress as He continues to create worlds without end, then He would not be able to continue to have knowledge, power, and dominion over all things. This does not diminish God; He continues to have the same unchanging qualities - it is the volume of those same qualities which increase. Also, as more and more spirits become Exalted and become One with Him, the "size" of His One-ness increases even though the state of His "being" One remains "One". His love is already perfect; however, as the quantity of His creations increase, the number of the things He loves also increases. Thus He expands and progresses. There is no limit to His expansion and progression.

Blessings,

jo

[_Mittens]

Omniscience would mean he know and speak of the future as though it was past like Paul says in Romans 4:

17(as it is written, “I have made you a father of many nations”) in the presence of Him whom he believed—God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did;

[_jo1952]

Omniscience would mean he know and speak of the future as though it was past like Paul says in Romans 4:

17(as it is written, “I have made you a father of many nations”) in the presence of Him whom he believed—God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did;

Yes, and this is speaking about Abraham who was made father of many nations on this earth, which had already been created; though the spirits who would be coming to this earth to make up those many nations had not yet received their physical bodies.

Because God continues to create eternally, He will also increase eternally. Since eternity continues forever, all that He will create has not yet been created.

Blessings,

jo

[_Mittens]

Sounds like you disagree with

2 Nephi 9:20 O how great the holiness of our God! For he knoweth all things, and there is not anything save he knows it.


I'd rather serve this God

http://youtu.be/mKo_vqkayu0

[_gdemetz]

Not true Drifting! Joseph was accused of "peeping" long before he received the urim and thumim along with the plates!

Mittens, you still can't seem to see how God can know all things and still create?!?!?