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Fulfilled Prophecy?
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_grindael
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Re: Fulfilled Prophecy?
"You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder. (James 2:19)
Riding on a speeding train; trapped inside a revolving door;
Lost in the riddle of a quatrain; Stuck in an elevator between floors.
One focal point in a random world can change your direction:
One step where events converge may alter your perception.
Lost in the riddle of a quatrain; Stuck in an elevator between floors.
One focal point in a random world can change your direction:
One step where events converge may alter your perception.
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_just me
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Tobin wrote:I didn't know the truth had to be unique to be true.
Prophets are pointless if they are just telling us what most of the planet already believes (without evidence).
~Those who benefit from the status quo always attribute inequities to the choices of the underdog.~Ann Crittenden
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If you mean that I'll never understand a person like you, you are correct.
I, on the other hand understand you all too well.
Riding on a speeding train; trapped inside a revolving door;
Lost in the riddle of a quatrain; Stuck in an elevator between floors.
One focal point in a random world can change your direction:
One step where events converge may alter your perception.
Lost in the riddle of a quatrain; Stuck in an elevator between floors.
One focal point in a random world can change your direction:
One step where events converge may alter your perception.
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_Tobin
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Re: Fulfilled Prophecy?
I disagree. MLK Jr and Gandhi were anything but pointless.just me wrote:Prophets are pointless if they are just telling us what most of the planet already believes (without evidence).Tobin wrote:I didn't know the truth had to be unique to be true.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
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_grindael
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Where did MLK & Ghandi ever claim they were prophets?
Riding on a speeding train; trapped inside a revolving door;
Lost in the riddle of a quatrain; Stuck in an elevator between floors.
One focal point in a random world can change your direction:
One step where events converge may alter your perception.
Lost in the riddle of a quatrain; Stuck in an elevator between floors.
One focal point in a random world can change your direction:
One step where events converge may alter your perception.
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_grindael
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Re: Fulfilled Prophecy?
I didn't ask you to follow him, I asked what you disagreed with. Apparently you agree with everything he said. And a FYI, people are people - not Satan, God or whatever caricature you wish to attach to them because of your obvious biases.
Obviously, you missed the point as usual. Anyone can say anything that might be the truth. Even the devil. That doesn't mean they are inspired by God, or speak for him. And the caricature attachment was all your own. Nicely done, by the way.
Riding on a speeding train; trapped inside a revolving door;
Lost in the riddle of a quatrain; Stuck in an elevator between floors.
One focal point in a random world can change your direction:
One step where events converge may alter your perception.
Lost in the riddle of a quatrain; Stuck in an elevator between floors.
One focal point in a random world can change your direction:
One step where events converge may alter your perception.
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_Tobin
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Ah, so in your world, a prophet of God must get up on a hill, split the Red Sea and state, "I'm a prophet of God. Now everyone listen up."grindael wrote:Where did MLK & Ghandi ever claim they were prophets?
Some of us are a little better grounded in reality than you are. We view prophets of God as truth speakers, called of God to do what they do. And many people view MLK Jr as a prophet as do many people view Gandhi in a similar vein. I certainly do. http://hebrewbible.wordpress.com/2011/04/14/mlk-a-prophet//
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
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Maybe I didn't read what you said slowly enough? The truth is the truth. Either you agree with it or you don't. Apparently you agree the Mormon prophets tells the truth. You should listen to that.grindael wrote:Obviously, you missed the point as usual. Anyone can say anything that might be the truth. Even the devil. That doesn't mean they are inspired by God, or speak for him. And the caricature attachment was all your own. Nicely done, by the way.I didn't ask you to follow him, I asked what you disagreed with. Apparently you agree with everything he said. And a FYI, people are people - not Satan, God or whatever caricature you wish to attach to them because of your obvious biases.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
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Re: Fulfilled Prophecy?
Anyone believing in prophets can not claim to be grounded in reality, as there are no "real" examples. They all invoke some claim to the metaphysical, or better stated hypothetical and imaginary.
Try again.
Try again.
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Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality.
~Bill Hamblin
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According to you, it is all in "our" heads. I guess you'll never really know till after you die. I hope it turns out the way you expect and you just cease to exist. A pretty hopeless ending to wait for, but good luck with that.SteelHead wrote:Anyone believing in prophets can not claim to be grounded in reality, as there are no "real" examples. They all invoke some claim to the metaphysical.
Try again.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom