SteelHead wrote:Anyone believing in prophets can not claim to be grounded in reality, as there are no "real" examples. They all invoke some claim to the metaphysical.
Try again.
According to you, it is all in "our" heads. I guess you'll never really know till after you die. I hope it turns out the way you expect and you just cease to exist. A pretty hopeless ending to wait for, but good luck with that.
It's actually only the fantasy of an end to existence that gives me hope. An eternity of being, with no way out, is the kind of existential hell that only a truly demented supreme being would dream up. The possibility of an end to everything is, paradoxically, heavenly.
Morley wrote:It's actually only the fantasy of an end to existence that gives me hope. An eternity of being, with no way out, is the kind of existential hell that only a truly demented supreme being would dream up. The possibility of an end to everything is, paradoxically, heavenly.
Actually, I tend to agree with you. I personally look forward to the next life with hope, but I certainly can understand why others would dread an eternal existence. But, that is really the Mormon concept of hell too. An eternity of suffering that is mostly self-inflicted because of an unwillingness to follow and do as God asks.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Maybe I didn't read what you said slowly enough? The truth is the truth. Either you agree with it or you don't. Apparently you agree the Mormon prophets tells the truth. You should listen to that.
You can't be that naïve. David Koresh believed in Jesus and taught lots of "truth" from the Bible. Should I have listened to him and joined him at Waco? That would be ignorant. I don't listen to, or give credence to anything a Mormon "authority" says, because their underlying doctrines are false, and they don't prophesy the truth. Listening to them can't, and won't save me. No one needs Mormon "prophets" because they already have an advocate, and that is Jesus. All the mumbo-jumbo about priesthood and authority and the Book of Mormon is just that. You can believe it, and that's fine, but I'm also free to express my opinion and spread what knowledge I have about Mormonism, which I left for good reason. You may close your mind to what these men have said, or explain it all away to keep your church membership, but many won't, and continue to see the church for what it is and leave it.
Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”
Riding on a speeding train; trapped inside a revolving door; Lost in the riddle of a quatrain; Stuck in an elevator between floors. One focal point in a random world can change your direction: One step where events converge may alter your perception.
Maybe I didn't read what you said slowly enough? The truth is the truth. Either you agree with it or you don't. Apparently you agree the Mormon prophets tells the truth. You should listen to that.
You can't be that naïve. David Koresh believed in Jesus and taught lots of "truth" from the Bible. Should I have listened to him and joined him at Waco? That would be ignorant. I don't listen to, or give credence to anything a Mormon "authority" says, because their underlying doctrines are false, and they don't prophesy the truth. Listening to them can't, and won't save me. No one needs Mormon "prophets" because they already have an advocate, and that is Jesus. All the mumbo-jumbo about priesthood and authority and the Book of Mormon is just that. You can believe it, and that's fine, but I'm also free to express my opinion and spread what knowledge I have about Mormonism, which I left for good reason. You may close your mind to what these men have said, or explain it all away to keep your church membership, but many won't, and continue to see the church for what it is and leave it.
Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”
I'd rather listen to people that speak the truth than to people like you who do not.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
I'd rather listen to people that speak the truth than to people like you who do not.
So all the scripture I quoted was false? Your hypocrisy is astounding.
Riding on a speeding train; trapped inside a revolving door; Lost in the riddle of a quatrain; Stuck in an elevator between floors. One focal point in a random world can change your direction: One step where events converge may alter your perception.
Ok grindael, The onus is now upon you to prove that Jesus was something other than an after the fact literary device forwarded as the fulfillment of prophecy in order to start an usurpation of entrenched religious power.
It is better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener at war.
Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality. ~Bill Hamblin
Ok grindael, The onus is now upon you to prove that Jesus was something other than an after the fact literary device forwarded as the fulfillment of prophecy in order to start an usurpation of entrenched religious power.
No it's not.
Riding on a speeding train; trapped inside a revolving door; Lost in the riddle of a quatrain; Stuck in an elevator between floors. One focal point in a random world can change your direction: One step where events converge may alter your perception.
Well then..... Is there truly any fulfilled prophecy?
I believe there is, but I don't think my belief will make any difference to you (with all due respect).
Riding on a speeding train; trapped inside a revolving door; Lost in the riddle of a quatrain; Stuck in an elevator between floors. One focal point in a random world can change your direction: One step where events converge may alter your perception.