So is the whole debate with Tobin then just the pronouncement that your god can beat up his? Or have we devolved into a fit of biblical/prophetic navel gazing par extraordinaire?
That was great SH. Actually, I made some comments in reply to the OP that Tobin obviously took umbrage at. It just went from there. Having been a Mormon for 13 years, serving a mission, and doing all the things that are required of a "Saint" I went to B.Y.U. in the early 80's and left the church after researching Adam-god. I was an atheist for 25 years. I had a life changing event happen to me in 2006, and I found my faith again. I actually had nothing to do with Mormonism all those years after leaving the church until some missionaries knocked on my door in 2008. I usually focus on Church History, but if conversations stray into beliefs, I sometimes will engage. From your comments, I gather you don't believe in the Christian God (sorry if I'm wrong) and having been down that road, I make it a point to not have religious discussions with atheists. (It's usually pointless). The reason I discuss Mormonism is in the tag line below.
Riding on a speeding train; trapped inside a revolving door; Lost in the riddle of a quatrain; Stuck in an elevator between floors. One focal point in a random world can change your direction: One step where events converge may alter your perception.
SteelHead wrote:So is the whole debate with Tobin then just the pronouncement that your god can beat up his? Or have we devolved into a fit of biblical/prophetic navel gazing par extraordinaire?
There is no debate going on here Steelhead, merely a discussion. I know that God and an eternal existence awaits you. So, it is an inevitable and unavoidable fact.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
I'd rather listen to people that speak the truth than to people like you who do not.
So all the scripture I quoted was false? Your hypocrisy is astounding.
It is not only your misuse of scripture that I find offensive. It is your misrepresentatations, misunderstanding, and misconceptions of Mormonism that I find offensive. Your statements and attitude is anything but how an honest broker would behave.
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"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
I'm a proponent of Exu. Exu for Jesus 2012! Change you can believe in!
It's a start I guess. What a fascinating read that was. (Had to look it up).
Riding on a speeding train; trapped inside a revolving door; Lost in the riddle of a quatrain; Stuck in an elevator between floors. One focal point in a random world can change your direction: One step where events converge may alter your perception.
It is not only your misuse of scripture that I find offensive. It is your misrepresentatations, misunderstanding, and misconceptions of Mormonism that I find offensive. You statements and attitude is anything but how an honest broker would behave
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Now you know how I feel about Mormon "prophets".
Riding on a speeding train; trapped inside a revolving door; Lost in the riddle of a quatrain; Stuck in an elevator between floors. One focal point in a random world can change your direction: One step where events converge may alter your perception.
Tobin, Instead of waiting for vindication in the afterlife, I have decided to be the bestest person NOW that I can. To fiercely love my wife and children and to be excellent to my fellow man.
The idea that after this life may be just a dirt nap no longer scares me. As long as my children and wife love me NOW then it will all be fine.
It is better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener at war.
Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality. ~Bill Hamblin
SteelHead wrote:Tobin, Instead of waiting for vindication in the afterlife, I have decided to be the bestest person NOW that I can. To fiercely love my wife and children and to be excellent to my fellow man.
The idea that after this life may be just a dirt nap no longer scares me. As long as my children and wife love me NOW then it will all be fine.
I hope you continue in doing that. People like you concern me because you never know what they may decide to do if this life is it and don't have to worry about the eternal consequences. I'm glad you have some kind of moral center, despite what you believe.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
I'm just playing around with you.As I said, I don't take anything you have to say as a serious criticism of Mormonism at all.
Pointing out the weaknesses and failings of the messenger has nothing to do with the message. If the message is truly from God, we should accept it.
“It is not only your misuse of scripture that I find offensive. It is your misrepresentatations, misunderstanding, and misconceptions of Mormonism that I find offensive. You statements and attitude is anything but how an honest broker would behave.
Definitely confused, to put it mildly.
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Riding on a speeding train; trapped inside a revolving door; Lost in the riddle of a quatrain; Stuck in an elevator between floors. One focal point in a random world can change your direction: One step where events converge may alter your perception.
SH. Actually, I made some comments in reply to the OP that Tobin obviously took umbrage at. It just went from there. Having been a Mormon for 13 years, serving a mission, and doing all the things that are required of a "Saint" I went to B.Y.U. in the early 80's and left the church after researching Adam-god. I was an atheist for 25 years. I had a life changing event happen to me in 2006, and I found my faith again. I actually had nothing to do with Mormonism all those years after leaving the church until some missionaries knocked on my door in 2008. I usually focus on Church History, but if conversations stray into beliefs, I sometimes will engage. From your comments, I gather you don't believe in the Christian God (sorry if I'm wrong) and having been down that road, I make it a point to not have religious discussions with atheists. (It's usually pointless). The reason I discuss Mormonism is in the tag line below.