Adam, first man circa 4,000 bc....?

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SteelHead wrote:This wasn't an a bomb it was house to house melee combat. The children could have been spared and raised by the Israelites.

What kind of god orders the slaughter of innocents?


The kind of God who knows that the spirits of not only the innocents, but also the guilty will be obtaining another physical body in another incarnation.

Let's see how this looks from the simplistic LDS perspective that infants and young children go directly to the Celestial Kingdom. We have also been told that parents whose children's spirits have gone to the Celestial Kingdom, will have the opportunity to raise them during the Millenium. I do not think that a "glorified" body needs to be "raised" to adulthood. Since the flesh bodies of those spirits who occupied the infant and young children's bodies have returned to dust, I think those spirits are put into new flesh bodies which have not yet been glorified.

Inasmuch as we are eternal, and taking into consideration that Father wants ALL of us to return to Him, I believe that eventually ALL of us WILL return to Him. Through the process of reincarnation (or, as Joseph Smith called it, multiple probations), we can all progress to eventual Exaltation.

Therefore, where Atheists or Agnostics read the Old Testament and come to the conclusion that God is some kind of monster, or that He is schizophrenic, reincarnation manifests God's wisdom, goodness, mercy, justice, love, as well as His unchanging desire that all of His children will be able to return to Him.

When we see the story of Amalek, we find out that Saul did not obey God's commandment to kill everyone. We can see in the Book of Esther that a direct descendant of Agag (who was an Amalekite), by the name of Haman the Agagite had organized a massacre of all Jewish peoples who lived in all of the lands which were under the rule of the Persian King Ahasuerus. However, Haman's plan was foiled by Esther who had recently become the King's wife. The reason I share this additional information is because God knew that through the Amalekites, His chosen people, the Jews, would suffer, and by the time of Haman, there would be an attempt at genocide made against them. Since the Amalekites were already a tainted lineage while Saul was alive, God wanted to wipe out that line.

Whenever God commanded that a people be destroyed, it is only the physical bodies which were destroyed; not the spirits which inhabited those bodies.

Blessings,

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SteelHead wrote:Suckling babes wouldn't have even known they were adopted.

And while war is war how does the same god who suffers the little children order the death of suckling babes?

The narrative changes when the slaughter is ordered by god.


Do you believe abortion is murder? Do you feel abortion should be outlawed?
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Sorry Jo, but I am disinclined to support moral systems that diminish the horror of infanticide by promises of a better hereafter. Especially as any such promise is unconfirmable. Better to have lived a long life than to be killed as a babe by some religionist.
It is better to be a warrior in a garden, than a gardener at war.

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SteelHead wrote:Sorry Jo, but I am disinclined to support moral systems that diminish the horror of infanticide by promises of a better hereafter. Especially as any such promise is unconfirmable. Better to have lived a long life than to be killed as a babe by some religionist.


Hi SteelHead,

I can certainly understand your point of view. I just wanted to let you know that there is more to God's purposes than meets the eye. Most Christians aren't aware that reincarnation is reflected in much of the Bible, or what the reasoning is behind it. Such is also the case with most Atheists and Agnostics.

Blessings to you!

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LittleNipper wrote:
just me wrote:
Could you define "evil" please?

Promoting one's own agenda instead of being like Christ.


Dang, I lost my post. Here goes agin.

Were all people prior to the christian era "evil?"
If all people who are not "being like Christ" are evil why is anyone left living?

A good and merciful god could have dropped leaflets to the people...
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just me wrote:
LittleNipper wrote:
Promoting one's own agenda instead of being like Christ.


Dang, I lost my post. Here goes agin.

Were all people prior to the christian era "evil?"
If all people who are not "being like Christ" are evil why is anyone left living?

A good and merciful god could have dropped leaflets to the people...

God's message seems to have existed from the beginning written in the stars.
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just me wrote:Dang, I lost my post. Here goes agin.

Were all people prior to the christian era "evil?"
If all people who are not "being like Christ" are evil why is anyone left living?

A good and merciful god could have dropped leaflets to the people...

what do you mean by "prior to" ?
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LittleNipper wrote:
just me wrote:
Dang, I lost my post. Here goes agin.

Were all people prior to the christian era "evil?"
If all people who are not "being like Christ" are evil why is anyone left living?

A good and merciful god could have dropped leaflets to the people...

God's message seems to have existed from the beginning written in the stars.


The message to be like Christ? No.
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It is there just moi, you just need to learn to read astrological braile.

"Oh, gee. I always thought they were balls of gas burning billions of miles away" :wink:
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