Contradiction in the Book of Mormon?

[_Drifting]

Not true Drifting! Joseph was accused of "peeping" long before he received the urim and thumim along with the plates!

Mittens, you still can't seem to see how God can know all things and still create?!?!?

Sorry gdemetz, read up and you will see it was the same stone.

[_jo1952]

Sounds like you disagree with

2 Nephi 9:20 O how great the holiness of our God! For he knoweth all things, and there is not anything save he knows it.


I'd rather serve this God

http://youtu.be/mKo_vqkayu0

Hi Mittens,

I am agreeing with 2Nephi 9:20, which also agrees with what the Bible teaches. I do not understand how you have come to the conclusion that you think I disagree with 2Nephi 9:20. So be it.

Blessings,

jo

[_Mittens]

Bruce McConkie got in the most trouble for his book "Mormon Doctrine" for diagreeing with Wlford Woodruff and fellow leaders for saying God was omniscience, when Mormons say he not. you must be an exception ?

[_gdemetz]

Mittens, I don't have any idea where you came up with that! Maybe from the same source that Drifting used when he came up with the idea that the peep stone was the same as the seer stones! It appears that the anti's are getting desperate now and grasping for straws!

[_Drifting]

Mittens, I don't have any idea where you came up with that! Maybe from the same source that Drifting used when he came up with the idea that the peep stone was the same as the seer stones! It appears that the anti's are getting desperate now and grasping for straws!

Gdemetz, your lack of knowledge is showing...

Unfortunately, when you first came here to post you did so under the assumption that the Church had told you everything, the truth...the whole truth...and nothing but the truth...

I suspect you are beginning to realise that wasn't the case and all this anti Mormon 'lying' is actually supported by historical and documented information. Stuff the Church kept from you.

Do yourself a massive favour - read Grant Palmers 'an insiders view on Mormon origins' particularly the section dealing with seer/peep stones.
Try and prove the information wrong that he (long serving Director of the Church Education System) presents using sources and references as bona fide as the ones he uses.

Then we'll talk....

[_Mittens]

McConkie said God was omniscience and that was his biggest problem since leadership said he wasn't

God himself is increasing and progressing in knowledge, power, and dominion, and will do so, worlds without end." Wilford Woodruff, Journal of Discourses Vol. 6:120

Jan 7-8,1960 - First Presidency decides that Bruce R. McConkie's Mormon Doctrine "must not be re-published, as it is full of errors and misstatements, and it is most unfortunate that it has received such wide circulation." They are exasperated that McConkie and his publisher released the book without pre-publication publicity or notifying First Presidency. Even his father-in-law, senior apostle, Joseph Fielding Smith, "did not know anything about it until it was published." This is McConkie's way to avoid repetition of Presidency's stopping his pre-announced Sound Doctrine three years earlier.

Committee of two apostles (Mark E. Petersen and Marion G. Romney) report that McConkie's Mormon Doctrine contains 1,067 doctrinal errors. For example, page 493 said: "Those who falsely and erroneously suppose that God is progressing in knowledge and gaining new truths cannot exercise sufficient faith in him to gain salvation until they divest themselves of their false beliefs." However, McConkie is affirming doctrine of omniscience officially condemned by previous First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles in 1865. In announcing their decision to the Twelve on 28 Jan 1960, First Presidency says there should be no revised edition of Mormon Doctrine. Presidency reverses initial decision on 7 Jan. "that the book should be officially repudiated."

[_Drifting]

McConkie said God was omniscience and that was his biggest problem since leadership said he wasn't.

Actually, the problem is not that leadership refuted what McConkie believed, it's that McConkie was an actual Apostle.

“An 'apostle' is an ordained leader in the Melchizedek Priesthood in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Apostles are chosen through inspiration by the President of the Church, sustained by the general membership of the Church, and ordained by the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles by the laying on of hands. . . . In addition to serving as witnesses of Jesus Christ to all the world (D&C 107:23), as Jesus' apostles did, members of the current Quorum of the Twelve Apostles hold the keys of the priesthood--that is, the rights of presidency (D&C 107:35; cf. 124:128)” (Encyclopedia of Mormonism [1992], 1:59-60).

Which means it is inexplicable that he would not know the nature of God.

[Guest]

Mettens, I would like to see a reference on that 1865 statement! The teachings of the scriptures as well as the church are that God knows all things. It's a very simple basic doctrine, and I still say that it's grasping straws! Drifting, of course McConkie knows the nature of God, just as the first presidency has known and does now know! This is typical anti twisting statements and grasping at straws!

Drifting, what is that? Is it another Papa Joe site? Everyone should know that ll that alleged "peeping" was well before he got the plates and the urim and thumim when he was twenty three, and there were also many witnesses seeing him translating behind the cloth, and he used the urim and thumim then when translating (not copying the Spaulding manuscript)!

[_jo1952]

Bruce McConkie got in the most trouble for his book "Mormon Doctrine" for diagreeing with Wlford Woodruff and fellow leaders for saying God was omniscience, when Mormons say he not. you must be an exception ?

Hi Mittens,

You are all over the place. First you say Mormons believe God IS omniscient; then you say Mormons do not believe God is omniscient. It is no wonder that you can't figure out if what I believe is in agreement, or is in disagreement, with what the LDS Church believes.

I am sorry you are so confused about this. I believe your heart is probably in the right place; i.e., to defend what you believe is True about God. However, if you are going to attack what someone else believes is True about God, you need to understand what it is they DO believe. I hope that you enjoy your journey as you are being led to all Truth.

Peace and blessings,

jo

[_Mittens]

I'm not confused but LDS leaders our, and we know God is not the author of confusion, anyway that's what LeGrande Richards said

God himself is increasing and progressing in knowledge, power, and dominion, and will do so, worlds without end." Wilford Woodruff, Journal of Discourses Vol. 6:120

2 Nephi 9:20 O how great the holiness of our God! For he knoweth all things, and there is not anything save he knows it.