Revelation as a treatise of alchemy

[_sheryl]

An open secret....

The Jews expected the First Coming to be a warrior prince who would free them from Roman rule, even some of the disciples expected Jesus to do this! Their expectations of the First Coming was clouded by shades and shadows in their consciousness, and so it was missed by most people.

Now Christians are expecting Jesus to return as a warrior prince! And they too are missing the Second Coming. Yes, indeed it is already transpiring. In retrospect, when we look at prophecy and then at history, we see that we are in the midst of the Second Coming!

Most do not recognize it though, for it does not match their expectations.

Perhaps a better explanation is needed.

In the First Coming, Christ came in the person Jesus, or Yeshua - the first being that could embody Christ in the physical realm. And then Christ (the Power from on High) rayed out into the world through his disciples, they becoming Apostles.

After a period of falling away, the apostasy, more flesh is able to embody Christ and so the Second Coming is Christ 'coming in' multiple individuals, raying out into the world through their disciples, they becoming Apostles.

We are in the early stages of the Second Coming, it has been progressing now for several hundred years. For the world to ascend, for Revelation to manifest in the collective of humanity, many such groupings must arise.

Remember the Second Coming is to touch all flesh, as it has! Just look at our history over the last few hundred years. The entire world has be lit on fire by Christ - science, art, technology - the advancement of human consciousness!


Shalom!

Sheryl

[_SteelHead]

Are you all really that dense? If you say that whatever event you want to pin the fulfillment to, in this case the triumphal entry, (let this date = X) occurred 69 x 7 years of 360 day years adjusted for the modern calendar = 476 after the prophecy was given (let this = Z = 476 and let the year the prophecy was given be 455 BC = Y) then you have to show that there was 476 years between the date when the prophecy was given = Y (looking forward from the start date of the prophecy).

So X - Y = Z = 476. OR 455 BC + 476 years = 32 AD (there is no 0 year).

So now you have to firmly establish these dates. If you can't even show what year Christ was actually born then the whole thing is meaningless. If you can't show the date for the prophecy being given then it is also meaningless.

We do not know the year in which Christ was born, but according to the Bible the triumphal entry was at 32 years of age. 32 years of age may be 32 AD, but it is most likely not.

If X = 32 AD and you show the right start date (32 AD - 476).... then it works. But if X actually = 26 AD (as adjusted for the birth year being 6 BC) then it doesn't work.

Now if the dates are nebulous then you all can claim whatever you want, but it doesn't show any fulfillment of prophecy without being able to pin down dates. And if you pin the start date to 455 BC, but the actual entry was in 26 AD (for Christ being born in 6 BC and the start date being the same) then your math doesn't work, if the start date is 445 BC.

Since you can't show any definitive dates for any of the points in question, and will willy nilly make the dates fit the math to confirm your belief in the prophecy, it is all moot. But when you start pinning mathematical machination to the prophecies of Daniel...... Well I've found about 30 different theories, and a dozen different dates. And the JWs use the same crazy stuff to prove we are now in the millennium, as it appears Sheryl also believes. And the whole of the world is wrong, but for those in on the big secrets.

The second coming already happened, and just like the first time, nobody noticed.

So your theories show the fulfillment of bupkiss.

[_Franktalk]

So your theories show the fulfillment of bupkiss.

If that is your belief I hope it all works out for you. Here is the detail that I believe is correct.

In the Book of Daniel there is a prophesy that the Angel Gabriel gives to Daniel. This is the seventy weeks prophesy. The first 69 weeks deal with the coming Messiah and the last week deals with the Tribulation period.

“Seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophesy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.

Know therefore and understand,
That from the going forth of the command
To restore and build Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince,
There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks;
The street shall be built again,
And the wall,
Even in troublesome times.
Dan 9:24,25

So from the command to rebuild the city to Messiah the King will be 69 weeks. These are weeks of years with each year being 360 days. So this is 483 years or 173,880 days.

There were four decrees given to rebuild:

1. Cyrus in 537 BC
2. Darius
3. Artaxerxes 458 BC
4. Artaxerxes 445 BC

The first three dealt with the rebuilding of the Temple and the last one dealt with the city. Now that we know what decree to use we need to know exactly when it was issued. This investigation was done by Sir Robert Anderson who wrote a book called The Coming Prince. I highly recommend this book, as you can imagine the investigation was very hard work.

The decree was given March 14, 445 BC

The other half of Anderson's investigation was to determine the day that Jesus entered Jerusalem and allowed the people to call Him the Messiah and King. If you are familiar with the New Testament you know that Jesus avoided being called the Messiah until He rode the donkey into Jerusalem. Then it seems that He was in a hurry to make it happen. He was fulfilling Daniel’s prophesy which came from God through the angel Gabriel.

Jesus rides into Jerusalem April 6, 32 AD

445 BC + 32 AD = 173,740 days
March 14 - April 6 24 days
Leap years 116 days

Total = 173,880 days

Margin of error = zero

Now there are many different dates from a variety of sources on when the Messiah announced Himself and was killed. But they are all close to this date. The bottom line is that Christ fulfills the prophesy.

As for the last week or the 70th week. As Sheryl pointed out the important actions occur in the spiritual realm. There will also be a physical manifestation of the spiritual events. Those who achieve spiritual growth in the current world are just the early adopters. God has many ways to help us and changes will come that will guide the slow learners.

[_SteelHead]

Frank, show that Jesus rides into the temple in AD 32. Most scholars realize that there is error in the gregorian calendar. That AD 1 is not the birth year of Jesus. If Herod died in 4 BC then Jesus was born in 6 BC and entered Jerusalem in 26 AD. The Bible does not say the year. If you are adament about the 445 date, then you must prove the 1 AD birth of Jesus, else your prophecy is false.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronology_of_Jesus

[_Franktalk]

If you are adament about the 445 date, then you must prove the 1 AD birth of Jesus, else your prophecy is false.

Since what I stated did not include the birth of Christ date it is up to you to prove it is needed.

[_SteelHead]

The birth of Christ is the reference date from which you determine when the entry occurred. You base it on the biblical statement that he started his ministry at 30, and from that derive his age at the triumphal entry.

This is not rocket science.

The main point is you can not show what years any of this occured, hence any claims of prophetic fulfillment are spurious.

[Guest]

An open secret....

The Jews expected the First Coming to be a warrior prince who would free them from Roman rule, even some of the disciples expected Jesus to do this! Their expectations of the First Coming was clouded by shades and shadows in their consciousness, and so it was missed by most people.

Now Christians are expecting Jesus to return as a warrior prince! And they too are missing the Second Coming. Yes, indeed it is already transpiring. In retrospect, when we look at prophecy and then at history, we see that we are in the midst of the Second Coming!

Most do not recognize it though, for it does not match their expectations.

Perhaps a better explanation is needed.

In the First Coming, Christ came in the person Jesus, or Yeshua - the first being that could embody Christ in the physical realm. And then Christ (the Power from on High) rayed out into the world through his disciples, they becoming Apostles.

After a period of falling away, the apostasy, more flesh is able to embody Christ and so the Second Coming is Christ 'coming in' multiple individuals, raying out into the world through their disciples, they becoming Apostles.

We are in the early stages of the Second Coming, it has been progressing now for several hundred years. For the world to ascend, for Revelation to manifest in the collective of humanity, many such groupings must arise.

Remember the Second Coming is to touch all flesh, as it has! Just look at our history over the last few hundred years. The entire world has be lit on fire by Christ - science, art, technology - the advancement of human consciousness!

Shalom!

Sheryl

Hi Sheryl!

When I wrote this to you: "Okay Sheryl,

I can't read any passage without seeing soooooo much more than before!!"

it was right after I had written this to Steelhead: "As for the day of Jesus' 2nd coming....no one knows the day; not even Jesus knew what day He would return---only His Father."

It had come to me, as I was writing to Steelhead, that the first resurrection has been going on for quite a while. And for individuals, it is Father who knows they have received all Truth; indicating that they have not only experienced Christ's second coming, but they will participate in the on-going first resurrection (still using the words of the Bible). To take this a step further, they have also gone through the phases of having been a member of the various seven churches as their personal journey has progressed. Indeed, they will have personally experienced the trials represented in the Book of Revelation which the earth, as a whole, will experience. (Sheryl! Even when I wanted to die, God in His mercy did not let me die! Even doing our part in the lake of fire is a gift from God!!!) They will have spent their time outside of the new City of Jerusalem and done their "part" in the lake of fire, etc.

Shalom,

jo

[_jo1952]

Sheryl,

Then this would explain why there are still souls on the outside of the New City of Jerusalem after our earth has been renewed......they/we will be souls that will incarnate in other "earths". (one layer) OR, until our earth is renewed, they/we are on the outside of the "City of Jerusalem" until they/we are able to see it - at which time they/we can enter (another layer). The city has no walls; i.e., it could/IS already be here--and souls which have reintegrated are able to enter and leave it at will....they are also already rulers of other "nations" who continue to be able to use their free will because they are already One with God. Which means they can come and go because they are doing God's will.

And on and on an on----because God is limitless, so we also will be (again!). And whatever I can even imagine right now is already a part of God who is so much more than I am able to currently imagine. If we make up the myriad of parts that were shattered from the whole, we are already parts of the whole which will someday be completely mended again. But now, as a part, we cannot see the whole from our perspective - so we see through a glass darkly.

While we see ourselves as a "part" we are seeing what is corruptible; i.e., one of the shattered parts. When we return/reintegrate to the "whole" we are incorruptible.

1 Corinthians 13:8-12 (KJV)

8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. [NOT just speaking of Christ; but also of each spirit, individually]

11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; BUT THEN SHALL I KNOW EVEN AS I ALSO AM KNOWN. [LAYERS OF UNDERSTANDING!!]

John 1:1 (KJV)

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. BEFORE THE SHATTERING!!! LAYERS OF UNDERSTANDING!!

1 John 5:7-8 (KJV)

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (UNSHATTERED--WHOA--WHAT LAYERS OF UNDERSTANDING!!)

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. (SHATTERED UNTIL THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT WE ARE MENDED--UNSHATTERED)(UNSHATTERED, WHO IS THE WORD??!!!!) OH MY!!

D&C 130:10-11

10 Then the white stone mentioned in Revelation 2:17, will become a Urim and Thummim to each individual who receives one, whereby things pertaining to a higher order of kingdoms will be made known;

11 And a white stone is given to each of those who come into the celestial kingdom, whereon is a new name written, which no man knoweth save he that receiveth it. The new name is the key WORD.

Sheryl, What you have been sharing is getting through! I am hearing more and more.

I just need to see this all as movement; wherein all of my life I have only recognized it as a goal, being perceived through the physical. So even though I spiritually see more and more layers, the layer(s) I still need to understand is/are part of the journey I still need to exist in. I am still corruptible because I have not cast off that delusion; and the delusion keeps me inside of the dream until my spirit is fully awakened to its True reality.

Oh how I want to see!! (where is my kleenex.....)

Shalom,

jo

[_Franktalk]

The birth of Christ is the reference date from which you determine when the entry occurred. You base it on the biblical statement that he started his ministry at 30, and from that derive his age at the triumphal entry.

This is not rocket science.

The main point is you can not show what years any of this occured, hence any claims of prophetic fulfillment are spurious.

Many have claimed many things. Most people have not done the hard work that is required to figure this out. So indeed most of what is out there is junk. The scriptures are filled with little bits of data and if you put it all together you can indeed figure out the day and year of the Triumphal Entry. You just need to read the proper analysis. The Coming Prince by Anderson lays it all out in detail. You are right it is not rocket science.

[_sheryl]

Sheryl,

My Dear Sweet Friend,

Then this would explain why there are still souls on the outside of the New City of Jerusalem after our earth has been renewed......they/we will be souls that will incarnate in other "earths". (one layer) OR, until our earth is renewed, they/we are on the outside of the "City of Jerusalem" until they/we are able to see it - at which time they/we can enter (another layer). The city has no walls; i.e., it could/IS already be here--and souls which have reintegrated are able to enter and leave it at will....they are also already rulers of other "nations" who continue to be able to use their free will because they are already One with God. Which means they can come and go because they are doing God's will.

Indeed! New Jerusalem is upon the Earth. The Lord and His Name are One. But just as when Christ walked the earth as Yeshua, most are unaware of what is occurring within their midst, though all are touched, impacted by it. Thus there is no personal salvation. All is for all. Each individuation that joins in awareness of the whole widens the Way for others to join in.

Those on the outside, just are not aware! And so they instead cling to the temporary world. We can invoke this awareness for our self by remembering with our vital and mental bodies - this is faith! Even though we cannot see we know it is there.

And on and on an on----because God is limitless, so we also will be (again!). And whatever I can even imagine right now is already a part of God who is so much more than I am able to currently imagine. If we make up the myriad of parts that were shattered from the whole, we are already parts of the whole which will someday be completely mended again. But now, as a part, we cannot see the whole from our perspective - so we see through a glass darkly.

Yes, there are no walls or barriers in God. It is we who create barriers, differentiations, you over there and me over here. These walls are like husks, shells that are needed as our individuation evolves, but when we are ready, the shells will fall away and we will begin to See the Sacred Unity that underlies all beings.

While we see ourselves as a "part" we are seeing what is corruptible; i.e., one of the shattered parts. When we return/reintegrate to the "whole" we are incorruptible.

1 Corinthians 13:8-12 (KJV)

8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. [NOT just speaking of Christ; but also of each spirit, individually]

11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; BUT THEN SHALL I KNOW EVEN AS I ALSO AM KNOWN. [LAYERS OF UNDERSTANDING!!]

Great insight! And remember what John says:

Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.

We can only see that which we are like! We can only see God, Christ, Jesus, the Kingdom, when we become like it, them. So as we heal our self, perfect, integrate, make whole ourself, we will see God, who is already Whole. Hear Oh Israel! The Lord is your God, the Lord is One (a unity).

John 1:1 (KJV)

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. BEFORE THE SHATTERING!!! LAYERS OF UNDERSTANDING!!

1 John 5:7-8 (KJV)

7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (UNSHATTERED--WHOA--WHAT LAYERS OF UNDERSTANDING!!)

8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. (SHATTERED UNTIL THROUGH THE HOLY SPIRIT WE ARE MENDED--UNSHATTERED)(UNSHATTERED, WHO IS THE WORD??!!!!) OH MY!!

D&C 130:10-11

10 Then the white stone mentioned in Revelation 2:17, will become a Urim and Thummim to each individual who receives one, whereby things pertaining to a higher order of kingdoms will be made known;

11 And a white stone is given to each of those who come into the celestial kingdom, whereon is a new name written, which no man knoweth save he that receiveth it. The new name is the key WORD.

Sheryl, What you have been sharing is getting through! I am hearing more and more.

I just need to see this all as movement; wherein all of my life I have only recognized it as a goal, being perceived through the physical. So even though I spiritually see more and more layers, the layer(s) I still need to understand is/are part of the journey I still need to exist in. I am still corruptible because I have not cast off that delusion; and the delusion keeps me inside of the dream until my spirit is fully awakened to its True reality.

Oh how I want to see!! (where is my kleenex.....)

Shalom,

jo

Yes, scripture has been saying this all along. But we read and understand any thing in this world through what we call our karmic patterning or conditioning. And so understanding increases as we find increasing freedom.

Shabbat Shalom!

Sheryl