sleepyhead wrote:Is there something you actually disagree with that I wrote so that I can reply to that item instead of the entire thread?
Allow me to be more specific about your post prior:
sleepyhead wrote: Instinct was never designed to be used for information about past civilizations or to unlock the mysteries of the universe. Those who use it for that purpose are setting themselves up for disappointment.
This would be getting back to the original topic. Why do you disagree with the above? What type of information can an individual obtain by the burning bosom, and why in your opinion should learning about past civilizations be one of them?
sleepyhead wrote:Is there something you actually disagree with that I wrote so that I can reply to that item instead of the entire thread?
Allow me to be more specific about your post prior:
sleepyhead wrote: Instinct was never designed to be used for information about past civilizations or to unlock the mysteries of the universe. Those who use it for that purpose are setting themselves up for disappointment.
This would be getting back to the original topic. Why do you disagree with the above? What type of information can an individual obtain by the burning bosom, and why in your opinion should learning about past civilizations be one of them?
If I may venture to interrupt, the burning in the bosom can give you no information. Information comes through the mind, our brains. It is the brain which gives the sensation, not the sensation that informs the brain...... just my take on it. There's a lot of science on this....
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Philo Sofee wrote: If I may venture to interrupt, the burning in the bosom can give you no information. Information comes through the mind, our brains. It is the brain which gives the sensation, not the sensation that informs the brain...... just my take on it. There's a lot of science on this....
Interestingly Church doctrine states that one is to study things out in ones mind, reach a conclusion and then seek confirmation from the Holy Ghost.
In other words, the burning in the bosom is a confirmation of conclusions you had already drawn and believed.
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Philo Sofee wrote: If I may venture to interrupt, the burning in the bosom can give you no information. Information comes through the mind, our brains. It is the brain which gives the sensation, not the sensation that informs the brain...... just my take on it. There's a lot of science on this....
Interestingly Church doctrine states that one is to study things out in ones mind, reach a conclusion and then seek confirmation from the Holy Ghost.
In other words, the burning in the bosom is a confirmation of conclusions you had already drawn and believed.
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You have absolutely no proof of your physicalist-reductionist stance re: minds vs. brains. Not only that but you are grossly misrepresenting the current state of knowledge in cognitive science. There is more and more evidence that physicalist reductionism simply does not account for all the available data, and that "purely" mental processes are capable of influencing/determining "purely" physical ones--i.e. that what you think has a measurable, demonstrable effect on your physiological brain state. See e.g. the works of Antonio Damasio or any of the (peer-reviewed) research at the Mind and Life Institute.
That said I agree with you that the "promise of Moroni" is a heap of bologna. But it is important to distinguish between contemplative practices/mental states which are bogus, like the "burning in the bosom," and contemplative practices/mental states which are not.
subgenius wrote:If you have a belief that these feelings are internally generated then surely you have the ability to generate them at your will, correct? Even if you can not summon them forth while sitting in a chair, surely you can bring together the circumstances that would precisely replicate that "feeling", correct?...that is evidence i would like to see.
i can't quite tell -- are you doubting that these feelings can be generated at will?
for myself, when i read the OP it reminded me of a (secular) poem which once gave me that feeling i was taught to call "the spirit." before proceeding any further downthread, i looked up the poem and read it again and sure enough i get the same exact sensation. but this isn't at all surprising, is it?
Philo Sofee wrote: If I may venture to interrupt, the burning in the bosom can give you no information. Information comes through the mind, our brains. It is the brain which gives the sensation, not the sensation that informs the brain...... just my take on it. There's a lot of science on this....
Hello Philo,
I'm not saying the above is right or wrong and I don't want to cause thread drift, but I have a personal interest in instinct. Using the penquin as an example, does science claim that the urge to begin mating at a certain age, along with performing all of the steps involved in the process of giving birth, all originate from the brain?
You have absolutely no proof of your physicalist-reductionist stance re: minds vs. brains. Not only that but you are grossly misrepresenting the current state of knowledge in cognitive science. There is more and more evidence that physicalist reductionism simply does not account for all the available data, and that "purely" mental processes are capable of influencing/determining "purely" physical ones--i.e. that what you think has a measurable, demonstrable effect on your physiological brain state. See e.g. the works of Antonio Damasio or any of the (peer-reviewed) research at the Mind and Life Institute.
That said I agree with you that the "promise of Moroni" is a heap of bologna. But it is important to distinguish between contemplative practices/mental states which are bogus, like the "burning in the bosom," and contemplative practices/mental states which are not.
Mind if I ask? are you a physicalist or a dualist as far as the argument about the soul go?
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